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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It seems to me that what you’re really trying to avoid with this analysis is wasting your time on a potential new client, which is commendable otherwise you’d have every loser in the business (or not) bending your ear about things their way...You might want to say up front you will allow no more than an hour/half hour free initially to whack through the most obvious questions&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The greatest source of my frustration are those who call me with a fixed agenda (a hammer). They have what they consider to be a singular problem (a nail) that I can easily fix by looking through my rolodex to pull out the name of a sewing contractor or a fabric supplier. Iow, they aren&#039;t looking to hire me at all, they&#039;re looking for referrals. The conflict arises when I explain I don&#039;t give referrals to someone unless I know them. 

Among those who do want to hire me, there&#039;s a mismatch of needs, expectations and what I am prepared to do for them so I didn&#039;t mention this in the discussion. Most in this category are looking for a relationship and guidance but that&#039;s not what I do (outside of the forum or emails) so I recommend them to other colleagues who specialize in it. I&#039;m best utilized as a short term problem solver, I thrive on crisis resolution. I&#039;m at my best working with people who just need a fire put out and I really can&#039;t commit to long term relationships. In fact, most of the people I work with already have pattern makers etc. My role is to solve the problem and provide closure by training their people and the client how to resolve similar problems in the future. Or if they&#039;re the one doing the work, I train them to do it.</description>
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<p>The greatest source of my frustration are those who call me with a fixed agenda (a hammer). They have what they consider to be a singular problem (a nail) that I can easily fix by looking through my rolodex to pull out the name of a sewing contractor or a fabric supplier. Iow, they aren&#8217;t looking to hire me at all, they&#8217;re looking for referrals. The conflict arises when I explain I don&#8217;t give referrals to someone unless I know them. </p>
<p>Among those who do want to hire me, there&#8217;s a mismatch of needs, expectations and what I am prepared to do for them so I didn&#8217;t mention this in the discussion. Most in this category are looking for a relationship and guidance but that&#8217;s not what I do (outside of the forum or emails) so I recommend them to other colleagues who specialize in it. I&#8217;m best utilized as a short term problem solver, I thrive on crisis resolution. I&#8217;m at my best working with people who just need a fire put out and I really can&#8217;t commit to long term relationships. In fact, most of the people I work with already have pattern makers etc. My role is to solve the problem and provide closure by training their people and the client how to resolve similar problems in the future. Or if they&#8217;re the one doing the work, I train them to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie-Christine - Actually, I was approaching from the other end. If they thought their chance of being wrong was less than 5%, they are over-confident, cannot be talked out of it, and are basically looking for someone to validate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie-Christine &#8211; Actually, I was approaching from the other end. If they thought their chance of being wrong was less than 5%, they are over-confident, cannot be talked out of it, and are basically looking for someone to validate them.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie-Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie-Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve been going through some of the same evaluations about consulting, even if in a different field. I agree with Eric that thinking there’s less than 1% chance their way will work or less is too extreme. Actually to me it’d be a red flag, for total lack of self-confidence.. People who could be open should think there’s 30-50% chance their way will work, imho, otherwise they need to be doing something else, and talk to a shrink about that instead of to you about fixing their low chances. If they think there’s 80% chance their way will work (say &gt;50-66%), then obviously they don’t want your advice, they just want confirmation in their ways, we’re in agreement there. But most people aren’t that articulate or scientific about calculating chances, so you’ll have a hard time finding a response in many cases, although that’ll tell you something as well. For the innumerate you might have a ‘poor’ ‘fair’ or ‘good’ scale? (unless you’re also trying to eliminate them up front)

It seems to me that what you&#039;re really trying to avoid with this analysis is wasting your time on a potential new client, which is commendable otherwise you&#039;d have every loser in the business (or not) bending your ear about things their way.  Yes nowaks&#039; socratic questions method is obviously the best in terms of people really listening (although some concrete exemples on her part would be more helpful).  But the the socratic method takes a lot more time initially for you than the other way, even though it might be more effective in the long term.  So actually I think the evaluation part needs to be paid up, for you.  

You might want to say up front you will allow no more than an hour/half hour free initially to whack through the most obvious questions (and stick to that no matter what).  You could then want to send them a sheet of questions to think about ahead of time (like your initial 3, or more, or evolve that list over time) and tell them that you&#039;ll consider taking them on only if you can have a formal session to discuss these initial topics.  This initial session must be paying for them, and on your side you must firmly stick to your topics (their motivation to change and ability to listen) and not drift into their agenda, you can limit the time of course so you have a clear contract ahead of time, which will be establishing good practice.  And then you&#039;ll have a good basis for further discussion without having been totally ripped off.  And any consulting relationship you engage in will be much more consensual, and especially they&#039;ll know that you have to be consenting too..

I&#039;d guess many times just the questioning of people&#039;s willingness to change and ability to listen will be helpful to them, even if they don&#039;t wish to pursue further consulting right at the moment.  At least they&#039;ll hear loud and clear that an expert thinks that there are things wrong besides what they think their problems are, and that she thinks they&#039;re not ready to listen.  If they&#039;re at all open-minded, that alone should send them down a much better slope.  So paying for the initial session won&#039;t be a waste for them, you can feel you&#039;re doing good work.  And your time and expertise will eventually be more respected, and meanwhile you will get something out of all those false leads.  Even if you never thought to make a living telling people they aren&#039;t ready to listen to you, it can be a useful part of your income :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been going through some of the same evaluations about consulting, even if in a different field. I agree with Eric that thinking there’s less than 1% chance their way will work or less is too extreme. Actually to me it’d be a red flag, for total lack of self-confidence.. People who could be open should think there’s 30-50% chance their way will work, imho, otherwise they need to be doing something else, and talk to a shrink about that instead of to you about fixing their low chances. If they think there’s 80% chance their way will work (say >50-66%), then obviously they don’t want your advice, they just want confirmation in their ways, we’re in agreement there. But most people aren’t that articulate or scientific about calculating chances, so you’ll have a hard time finding a response in many cases, although that’ll tell you something as well. For the innumerate you might have a ‘poor’ ‘fair’ or ‘good’ scale? (unless you’re also trying to eliminate them up front)</p>
<p>It seems to me that what you&#8217;re really trying to avoid with this analysis is wasting your time on a potential new client, which is commendable otherwise you&#8217;d have every loser in the business (or not) bending your ear about things their way.  Yes nowaks&#8217; socratic questions method is obviously the best in terms of people really listening (although some concrete exemples on her part would be more helpful).  But the the socratic method takes a lot more time initially for you than the other way, even though it might be more effective in the long term.  So actually I think the evaluation part needs to be paid up, for you.  </p>
<p>You might want to say up front you will allow no more than an hour/half hour free initially to whack through the most obvious questions (and stick to that no matter what).  You could then want to send them a sheet of questions to think about ahead of time (like your initial 3, or more, or evolve that list over time) and tell them that you&#8217;ll consider taking them on only if you can have a formal session to discuss these initial topics.  This initial session must be paying for them, and on your side you must firmly stick to your topics (their motivation to change and ability to listen) and not drift into their agenda, you can limit the time of course so you have a clear contract ahead of time, which will be establishing good practice.  And then you&#8217;ll have a good basis for further discussion without having been totally ripped off.  And any consulting relationship you engage in will be much more consensual, and especially they&#8217;ll know that you have to be consenting too..</p>
<p>I&#8217;d guess many times just the questioning of people&#8217;s willingness to change and ability to listen will be helpful to them, even if they don&#8217;t wish to pursue further consulting right at the moment.  At least they&#8217;ll hear loud and clear that an expert thinks that there are things wrong besides what they think their problems are, and that she thinks they&#8217;re not ready to listen.  If they&#8217;re at all open-minded, that alone should send them down a much better slope.  So paying for the initial session won&#8217;t be a waste for them, you can feel you&#8217;re doing good work.  And your time and expertise will eventually be more respected, and meanwhile you will get something out of all those false leads.  Even if you never thought to make a living telling people they aren&#8217;t ready to listen to you, it can be a useful part of your income <img src='http://www.fashion-incubator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would you go about communicating those ideas?  Would they be most effective to the vendor and employees due to face to face communication, written document, or with place-based digital signage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would you go about communicating those ideas?  Would they be most effective to the vendor and employees due to face to face communication, written document, or with place-based digital signage?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, with everyone&#039;s input, I&#039;ve reorganized these strategies thusly:
communication with customers

Intake interview:
People need to feel appreciated before they can accept advice. The client must have the positive impression that he told you everything he thought was important and that you listened. You will have to find positive points before you can provide constructive criticism. 
* Give feedback if expectations aren’t met, even if the effort is good. 

Problem definition:
* What do you think is the problem? 
* What could also be wrong that you aren&#039;t sure is a problem?
* How convinced are you that your way will work? (percentage).

Toward resolution:
* What do you want me to do for you?
* Do you want my advice? Or do you only want me to help you make your way work?
* What would you have to hear to be convinced the problems are different from what you think?

Closure:
* Make boundaries clear, volleying the responsibility of making the project work back to the client. It&#039;s not my project.
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There&#039;s one central problem to the above. The vast majority of callers have a concrete definition of their problem, such as needing to find a &quot;manufacturer&quot;. They think I can resolve their problem in five minutes with a quick perusal of my rolodex. It is &lt;b&gt;insignificant&lt;/b&gt; that they don&#039;t want to pay (and most don&#039;t) for information they think I am hoarding for profit (their profit expectation is okay but I&#039;m greedy for wanting to pay my bills?) when &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/why_no_one_will_help_you/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this is the greater problem&lt;/a&gt;. But they don&#039;t want to listen as to why this matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, with everyone&#8217;s input, I&#8217;ve reorganized these strategies thusly:<br />
communication with customers</p>
<p>Intake interview:<br />
People need to feel appreciated before they can accept advice. The client must have the positive impression that he told you everything he thought was important and that you listened. You will have to find positive points before you can provide constructive criticism.<br />
* Give feedback if expectations aren’t met, even if the effort is good. </p>
<p>Problem definition:<br />
* What do you think is the problem?<br />
* What could also be wrong that you aren&#8217;t sure is a problem?<br />
* How convinced are you that your way will work? (percentage).</p>
<p>Toward resolution:<br />
* What do you want me to do for you?<br />
* Do you want my advice? Or do you only want me to help you make your way work?<br />
* What would you have to hear to be convinced the problems are different from what you think?</p>
<p>Closure:<br />
* Make boundaries clear, volleying the responsibility of making the project work back to the client. It&#8217;s not my project.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
There&#8217;s one central problem to the above. The vast majority of callers have a concrete definition of their problem, such as needing to find a &#8220;manufacturer&#8221;. They think I can resolve their problem in five minutes with a quick perusal of my rolodex. It is <b>insignificant</b> that they don&#8217;t want to pay (and most don&#8217;t) for information they think I am hoarding for profit (their profit expectation is okay but I&#8217;m greedy for wanting to pay my bills?) when <a href="http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/why_no_one_will_help_you/" rel="nofollow">this is the greater problem</a>. But they don&#8217;t want to listen as to why this matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Clairee! You don&#039;t have to be involved in commercial activity to join (just have to have the book like everyone does). Contrary to what many may suppose, enthusiasts enjoy a privileged position in our forum because you represent the consumer who we must keep uppermost in mind in all that we do. While it is helpful when you contribute to our business threads with questions and comments, you are still a full-fledged member entitled to resolution of your own problems. Enthusiasts are never chastised for using home sewing patterns, equipment or methods. Unfortunately we do not discuss sewing very much, which is something you can correct because everyone is intensely interested in the topic. 

Your account was deleted for inactivity, just &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fashion-incubator.com/phpbb/profile.php?mode=register&amp;sid&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sign up again&lt;/a&gt; but do *read* the membership agreement, many don&#039;t and I always know who has or hasn&#039;t :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Clairee! You don&#8217;t have to be involved in commercial activity to join (just have to have the book like everyone does). Contrary to what many may suppose, enthusiasts enjoy a privileged position in our forum because you represent the consumer who we must keep uppermost in mind in all that we do. While it is helpful when you contribute to our business threads with questions and comments, you are still a full-fledged member entitled to resolution of your own problems. Enthusiasts are never chastised for using home sewing patterns, equipment or methods. Unfortunately we do not discuss sewing very much, which is something you can correct because everyone is intensely interested in the topic. </p>
<p>Your account was deleted for inactivity, just <a href="http://www.fashion-incubator.com/phpbb/profile.php?mode=register&amp;sid" rel="nofollow">sign up again</a> but do *read* the membership agreement, many don&#8217;t and I always know who has or hasn&#8217;t <img src='http://www.fashion-incubator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clairee Meeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clairee Meeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen - I&#039;d like to access the forum, and haven&#039;t been able to get in - doesn&#039;t recognize my user name and/or password. I probably have changed my e-mail addy since I bought your book, and not sure I ever registered for the forum, as I&#039;m not in manufacturing, or any commercial endeavor. Just like to keep up with things.
Can you help me?.............
Clairee Meeks
I use the same user name for everything - oldsewandsew - so that should not have changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen &#8211; I&#8217;d like to access the forum, and haven&#8217;t been able to get in &#8211; doesn&#8217;t recognize my user name and/or password. I probably have changed my e-mail addy since I bought your book, and not sure I ever registered for the forum, as I&#8217;m not in manufacturing, or any commercial endeavor. Just like to keep up with things.<br />
Can you help me?&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
Clairee Meeks<br />
I use the same user name for everything &#8211; oldsewandsew &#8211; so that should not have changed.</p>
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		<title>By: dosfashionistas</title>
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		<dc:creator>dosfashionistas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one of the first questions is what the DE considers &quot;success&quot;. What are they wanting to happen. 

I can&#039;t wait to go explore these links. The back trails on your blog are great fun, always!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the first questions is what the DE considers &#8220;success&#8221;. What are they wanting to happen. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait to go explore these links. The back trails on your blog are great fun, always!</p>
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		<title>By: nowaks nähkästchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>nowaks nähkästchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guidelines are not new to me, but they are good. 
If you are interested I have something to add, that worked for me. (I am a psychologist and though I&#039;m not working as a therapist a part of my work used to be convincing people from doing something that was good for them. In the end... whatever you do, the process of counceling is very similar regardless the topic.)

One truth that can not be overrated is: If someone does not want to listen... just find out as quick as possible not to loose time.

On the other hand... if someone calls you, comes to see you,... this means that he has at least a small motivation to listen (it may be so small that it is hardly visible, but be sure, it is there) and that means you have something to work with.

What works best is when people find out themselves that they still have deficits. Instead of telling them what is wrong, make them find out by themselves. Best way to achive that are questions. Ask question, very neutral question, questions, they do not have an answer for. (It took me some time to figure out the &quot;key questions&quot; for my clients, but the better I knew them, the easier my work got.) And that is the moment the client feels a need to listen to you. 

(And of course, ask them, what they want you to do for them. If they don&#039;t have an answer tell them to call back once they know.)

Another important thing are indeed emotions. I know that theoretically it should be possible to talk objective, accept critique businesslike and so on. Some people are able to do that. But most people can not. Better accept this as a fact. (Sorry... *g*)

So people need to feel appreciated before they can accept advice. And this means you have to listen first. (Even though you already know 90 % of what he will tell you. And even though the other 10% will be irrelevant.) So your client will have the positive impression that he told you everything he wanted. And that you did listen.
And yes, you will have to find positive points before you can start criticizing. (Which will be way easier once the client has found out that he needs advice... as mentioned above.)

Then he is ready to listen to your advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guidelines are not new to me, but they are good.<br />
If you are interested I have something to add, that worked for me. (I am a psychologist and though I&#8217;m not working as a therapist a part of my work used to be convincing people from doing something that was good for them. In the end&#8230; whatever you do, the process of counceling is very similar regardless the topic.)</p>
<p>One truth that can not be overrated is: If someone does not want to listen&#8230; just find out as quick as possible not to loose time.</p>
<p>On the other hand&#8230; if someone calls you, comes to see you,&#8230; this means that he has at least a small motivation to listen (it may be so small that it is hardly visible, but be sure, it is there) and that means you have something to work with.</p>
<p>What works best is when people find out themselves that they still have deficits. Instead of telling them what is wrong, make them find out by themselves. Best way to achive that are questions. Ask question, very neutral question, questions, they do not have an answer for. (It took me some time to figure out the &#8220;key questions&#8221; for my clients, but the better I knew them, the easier my work got.) And that is the moment the client feels a need to listen to you. </p>
<p>(And of course, ask them, what they want you to do for them. If they don&#8217;t have an answer tell them to call back once they know.)</p>
<p>Another important thing are indeed emotions. I know that theoretically it should be possible to talk objective, accept critique businesslike and so on. Some people are able to do that. But most people can not. Better accept this as a fact. (Sorry&#8230; *g*)</p>
<p>So people need to feel appreciated before they can accept advice. And this means you have to listen first. (Even though you already know 90 % of what he will tell you. And even though the other 10% will be irrelevant.) So your client will have the positive impression that he told you everything he wanted. And that you did listen.<br />
And yes, you will have to find positive points before you can start criticizing. (Which will be way easier once the client has found out that he needs advice&#8230; as mentioned above.)</p>
<p>Then he is ready to listen to your advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said that if they claimed that their odds of being wrong were 5% or less, you were wasting your time. The other part was for them to tell you what they would have to hear to be convinced they were wrong.

I frequently think it&#039;s useful to try to think of why I might be wrong, what I am missing, what are the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns. I think the second test (what would convince you of your wrongness) may be a restatement of something Karl Popper, the philosopher of refutability, had said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said that if they claimed that their odds of being wrong were 5% or less, you were wasting your time. The other part was for them to tell you what they would have to hear to be convinced they were wrong.</p>
<p>I frequently think it&#8217;s useful to try to think of why I might be wrong, what I am missing, what are the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns. I think the second test (what would convince you of your wrongness) may be a restatement of something Karl Popper, the philosopher of refutability, had said.</p>
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