Comments on: Alternatives in women’s sizing http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/ How to start a clothing line or run the one you have, better. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:49:13 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Alison Cummins http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/comment-page-1/#comment-47491 Alison Cummins Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:37:37 +0000 http://www.fashion-incubator.com/2005/08/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/#comment-47491 Are you sure you want to use EU sizes? When I lived in Nigeria in the 1970s/80s, schoolchildren’s uniforms didn’t fit them, especially not the girls’. They appeared to have been made based on European measurements but Nigerian kids did a lot of manual work and had very broad shoulders. Girls typically were unable to do their dresses up in the back. Boys had well-developed thighs and pants tended to ride low. You can find European measurements in home-sewing charts. Here are Burda’s, which I think are similar to European RTW. I would expect you would want to adapt them for your local market. http://www.burdastyle.com/statics/size-chart http://www.burdafashion.com/fr/Patrons_pochettes/Tableaux_des_tailles_burda_a_telecharger/Tableaux_de_mesures_burda/1270778-1717630-1385036.html Are you sure you want to use EU sizes? When I lived in Nigeria in the 1970s/80s, schoolchildren’s uniforms didn’t fit them, especially not the girls’. They appeared to have been made based on European measurements but Nigerian kids did a lot of manual work and had very broad shoulders. Girls typically were unable to do their dresses up in the back. Boys had well-developed thighs and pants tended to ride low.

You can find European measurements in home-sewing charts. Here are Burda’s, which I think are similar to European RTW. I would expect you would want to adapt them for your local market.

http://www.burdastyle.com/statics/size-chart
http://www.burdafashion.com/fr/Patrons_pochettes/Tableaux_des_tailles_burda_a_telecharger/Tableaux_de_mesures_burda/1270778-1717630-1385036.html

]]> By: Carl Harstrup http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/comment-page-1/#comment-47433 Carl Harstrup Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:45:45 +0000 http://www.fashion-incubator.com/2005/08/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/#comment-47433 We are producing simple school uniforms in Tanzania. To assist our tailors we would like to find some simple charts with regard to the basic measurement according to EU sizes; 30, 32 .......40, 42, 44 etc. for men , women, boys and girls. Could somebody please advice on where we can find such charts? Have looked at EN 13402 but these looks a bit complicated. Thanks a lot. We are producing simple school uniforms in Tanzania. To assist our tailors we would like to find some simple charts with regard to the basic measurement according to EU sizes; 30, 32 …….40, 42, 44 etc. for men , women, boys and girls.
Could somebody please advice on where we can find such charts? Have looked at EN 13402 but these looks a bit complicated.
Thanks a lot.

]]> By: Laura Haney http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/comment-page-1/#comment-33893 Laura Haney Fri, 29 Apr 2011 04:11:56 +0000 http://www.fashion-incubator.com/2005/08/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/#comment-33893 If manufacturers provided size ranges based on stated measurements, it would help a great deal. They can call the sizes anything they like, as long as they provide a range of measurements. The current system is not useful, and seems to be based on way too small a sampling. If manufacturers provided size ranges based on stated measurements, it would help a great deal. They can call the sizes anything they like, as long as they provide a range of measurements. The current system is not useful, and seems to be based on way too small a sampling.

]]> By: Kathleen http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/comment-page-1/#comment-24386 Kathleen Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:26:29 +0000 http://www.fashion-incubator.com/2005/08/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/#comment-24386 You're right Marcia, inseam is but one part of the problem; the body is longer too. Rather than lobbying existing manufacturers, have you tried buying jeans and clothes from companies that specialize in tall women? There's quite a few of them out there. <a href="http://www.heightgoddess.com/" rel="nofollow">Height Goddess</a> is one I know of personally, started by one of my designers -Lameka Weeks. You’re right Marcia, inseam is but one part of the problem; the body is longer too.

Rather than lobbying existing manufacturers, have you tried buying jeans and clothes from companies that specialize in tall women? There’s quite a few of them out there. Height Goddess is one I know of personally, started by one of my designers -Lameka Weeks.

]]> By: Marcia http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/comment-page-1/#comment-24304 Marcia Fri, 02 Jul 2010 01:28:21 +0000 http://www.fashion-incubator.com/2005/08/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/#comment-24304 Criss-- I have a similar problem but on the other end of the scale. I'm tall-ish, 5'8". I am at exactly 25 BMI; so, not skinny but not overweight. Unfortunately, I cannot find fashionable jeans that fit. Basically, a size 32 is too tight and the next option is plus-sized which is way too big even in the brands that make 10' s and 12's for their "plus" lines. If a woman is 5'5" or under she can be a BMI of 28 or more and still buy jeans in the regular department but if you're tall, or even tall-ish you're SOL unless you're quite thin. I've written to several manufacturers about this black hole in jeans for tall-ish women. They respond by telling me they make inseams up to 36" now but the inseam isn't the problem. The problem is regular sizes are too small and plus sizes are too big. I have a friend who has the same problem. I think as the population gets taller this problem will only increase. On another note, I too have the cup-size issue in tops. I'm a 36DD who cannot afford to pay Rebecca and Drew $200 for one shirt. So, like someone else said I stick to knits but I think I'd look a lot more professional if I could wear a button up top. Criss– I have a similar problem but on the other end of the scale. I’m tall-ish, 5′8″. I am at exactly 25 BMI; so, not skinny but not overweight. Unfortunately, I cannot find fashionable jeans that fit. Basically, a size 32 is too tight and the next option is plus-sized which is way too big even in the brands that make 10′ s and 12’s for their “plus” lines. If a woman is 5′5″ or under she can be a BMI of 28 or more and still buy jeans in the regular department but if you’re tall, or even tall-ish you’re SOL unless you’re quite thin. I’ve written to several manufacturers about this black hole in jeans for tall-ish women. They respond by telling me they make inseams up to 36″ now but the inseam isn’t the problem. The problem is regular sizes are too small and plus sizes are too big. I have a friend who has the same problem. I think as the population gets taller this problem will only increase. On another note, I too have the cup-size issue in tops. I’m a 36DD who cannot afford to pay Rebecca and Drew $200 for one shirt. So, like someone else said I stick to knits but I think I’d look a lot more professional if I could wear a button up top.

]]> By: Push manufacturing; subverting the fit feedback loop http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/comment-page-1/#comment-21165 Push manufacturing; subverting the fit feedback loop Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:01:39 +0000 http://www.fashion-incubator.com/2005/08/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/#comment-21165 [...] Entropy Push manufacturing; subverting the fit feedback loop Sizing evolution Shrinkage and fit Alternatives in Women’s sizing Tyranny of tiny sizes? The history of women’s sizing pt 1 The history of women’s sizing [...] [...] Entropy Push manufacturing; subverting the fit feedback loop Sizing evolution Shrinkage and fit Alternatives in Women’s sizing Tyranny of tiny sizes? The history of women’s sizing pt 1 The history of women’s sizing [...]

]]> By: Size is a matter of opinion? http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/comment-page-1/#comment-20869 Size is a matter of opinion? Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:43:07 +0000 http://www.fashion-incubator.com/2005/08/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/#comment-20869 [...] process of gathering information to explain and quantify grading in the context of what I’d said before: …consumers have the expectation that if they gain weight, they should be able to grab the [...] [...] process of gathering information to explain and quantify grading in the context of what I’d said before: …consumers have the expectation that if they gain weight, they should be able to grab the [...]

]]> By: Vikki Haffenden http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/comment-page-1/#comment-11630 Vikki Haffenden Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:26:40 +0000 http://www.fashion-incubator.com/2005/08/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/#comment-11630 I am currently doing doctoral research into improving the fit of knitwear for larger sized women. Using a small group of women of different body type I originally measured, and have subsequently body scanned their bodies to make the garment prototypes and use their feedback to samples establish comfort and wearability of future garments. I use a Shima Seiki CAD/CAM system for prototyping and as I don't have access to a Wholegarment machine, I use an SES machine to knit garments, but the principles of knit to fit hold true for the newer technology. Some of the above comments are so true, as part of my research I have run an online body shape /clothing preference survey and these are so similar to the responses. My interest ultimately is custom made knitwear, either on a small scale, or in mass made to measure in some way. I am currently doing doctoral research into improving the fit of knitwear for larger sized women. Using a small group of women of different body type I originally measured, and have subsequently body scanned their bodies to make the garment prototypes and use their feedback to samples establish comfort and wearability of future garments. I use a Shima Seiki CAD/CAM system for prototyping and as I don’t have access to a Wholegarment machine, I use an SES machine to knit garments, but the principles of knit to fit hold true for the newer technology.

Some of the above comments are so true, as part of my research I have run an online body shape /clothing preference survey and these are so similar to the responses. My interest ultimately is custom made knitwear, either on a small scale, or in mass made to measure in some way.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/comment-page-1/#comment-634 Elizabeth Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:23:31 +0000 http://www.fashion-incubator.com/2005/08/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/#comment-634 I am currently working on a line of sleepwear/ lounge wear for larger cup sizes with built in support (a-line dress w/ shelf bra for this year, underwire later). it will be sized by band, cup and hip. For example Size A will fit a 32D-E/34C-D and Size A will come in Small, Med, Large depending on you hip measurement. I am hoping this approach works. It has taken months to get the fit right with my pattern maker but we are close to final prototypes. I am looking for places to do samples now and wanted to find a place that did samples that could also do the grading. I am hoping to find a place that has grading expertise with bras. Does anyone know of such a place? I am currently working on a line of sleepwear/ lounge wear for larger cup sizes with built in support (a-line dress w/ shelf bra for this year, underwire later). it will be sized by band, cup and hip. For example Size A will fit a 32D-E/34C-D and Size A will come in Small, Med, Large depending on you hip measurement. I am hoping this approach works. It has taken months to get the fit right with my pattern maker but we are close to final prototypes. I am looking for places to do samples now and wanted to find a place that did samples that could also do the grading. I am hoping to find a place that has grading expertise with bras. Does anyone know of such a place?

]]> By: criss http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/comment-page-1/#comment-633 criss Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:35:36 +0000 http://www.fashion-incubator.com/2005/08/alternatives_in_womens_sizing/#comment-633 I'm not sure where this idea comes from that fatter people are taller. I'm 5'4" and a size 22-24, and I can almost never put on a pair of pants that doesn't drag the ground or a jacket that doesn't cover my hands completely. At least there are quick fixes for those problems--for fitted tops, I am just SOL, because they're always cut for DDs and I am a B cup. Sure, I may be an outlier, but I have met a number of women with similar issues. In fact, among people I know (not statistically significant, I realize, but still), I would say there's approximately zero correlation between height and size. I’m not sure where this idea comes from that fatter people are taller. I’m 5′4″ and a size 22-24, and I can almost never put on a pair of pants that doesn’t drag the ground or a jacket that doesn’t cover my hands completely.

At least there are quick fixes for those problems–for fitted tops, I am just SOL, because they’re always cut for DDs and I am a B cup. Sure, I may be an outlier, but I have met a number of women with similar issues. In fact, among people I know (not statistically significant, I realize, but still), I would say there’s approximately zero correlation between height and size.

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