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		<title>By: christy fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>christy fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jan.. I agree with you.. but one has to be aware of the categories and terminology that is used in jurying processes for shows..and also which shows use which word for what.
Confusing? You bet.
Some shows allow &quot;squirt paint on a T shirt&quot; under a &quot;wearable art&quot; category.
Other shows stipulate that you cannot &quot;embllish a premade garment&quot;..and still others will allow textiles, but not clothing.
So homework IS necessary before applying for these shows.And it DOES matter how you describe yourself on the entry form.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan.. I agree with you.. but one has to be aware of the categories and terminology that is used in jurying processes for shows..and also which shows use which word for what.<br />
Confusing? You bet.<br />
Some shows allow &#8220;squirt paint on a T shirt&#8221; under a &#8220;wearable art&#8221; category.<br />
Other shows stipulate that you cannot &#8220;embllish a premade garment&#8221;..and still others will allow textiles, but not clothing.<br />
So homework IS necessary before applying for these shows.And it DOES matter how you describe yourself on the entry form.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is art? What is beauty? What is meaning? What is truth?  I enter this discussion with a heavy heart.  I also think it is useless to disparage the terms couture, industry, etc.  These are just words.  As someone who has spent time studying six different languages, it doesn&#039;t matter what someone calls themselves if it is meaningful to them.  The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is art? What is beauty? What is meaning? What is truth?  I enter this discussion with a heavy heart.  I also think it is useless to disparage the terms couture, industry, etc.  These are just words.  As someone who has spent time studying six different languages, it doesn&#8217;t matter what someone calls themselves if it is meaningful to them.  The proof of the pudding is in the eating.</p>
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		<title>By: christy fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>christy fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;art VS craft&quot; dispute has been happening forever (My Mom is a fine artist-painter/printmaker- and I grew up at art shows).There is such a thing as &quot;fine crafts&quot; which is way different that the DYI junk.
I do believe that SOME apparel designers can come under the category of fine crafts. I even think some FABRIC can come in under that listing (attend a wholesale fabric show and go to the Bucol Solstiss booth).
There is a whole generation  (teens- say, mid 30s) who think that WOATS, GOATS, and POORLY MADE GARMENTS are &quot;art&quot; just because  they are &quot;one of a kind&quot; or handmade. Handmade does not make an item &quot;art&quot;. I also feel that SOME production work can also be &quot;art&quot; (as in the English apparel line by Basso and Brooke- go to style.com and look at their collection).
People like that go &quot;one step beyond&quot; just &quot;making stuff&quot;. They study and practice a fine craft and make it an art form.
I have a problem with &quot;bead stringers&quot; calling themselves &quot;jewelry designers&quot;- when the &quot;art&quot; is really in the making of the bead..not the assembly process. It is a tricky and fine line...but I see an art to anything that is WELL DONE, with THOUGHT behind it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;art VS craft&#8221; dispute has been happening forever (My Mom is a fine artist-painter/printmaker- and I grew up at art shows).There is such a thing as &#8220;fine crafts&#8221; which is way different that the DYI junk.<br />
I do believe that SOME apparel designers can come under the category of fine crafts. I even think some FABRIC can come in under that listing (attend a wholesale fabric show and go to the Bucol Solstiss booth).<br />
There is a whole generation  (teens- say, mid 30s) who think that WOATS, GOATS, and POORLY MADE GARMENTS are &#8220;art&#8221; just because  they are &#8220;one of a kind&#8221; or handmade. Handmade does not make an item &#8220;art&#8221;. I also feel that SOME production work can also be &#8220;art&#8221; (as in the English apparel line by Basso and Brooke- go to style.com and look at their collection).<br />
People like that go &#8220;one step beyond&#8221; just &#8220;making stuff&#8221;. They study and practice a fine craft and make it an art form.<br />
I have a problem with &#8220;bead stringers&#8221; calling themselves &#8220;jewelry designers&#8221;- when the &#8220;art&#8221; is really in the making of the bead..not the assembly process. It is a tricky and fine line&#8230;but I see an art to anything that is WELL DONE, with THOUGHT behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jinjer Markley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jinjer Markley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel properly chastised for labelling DIY stuff &quot;crap&quot;--to be fair, I know several people who work the local trade show cuscuit who are producing really great, beautiful, useful products--they&#039;re just in the minority. The majority is producing items that gives DIY a bad name--poorly made, poorly fitting items that I personally would feel embarrassed to wear. It makes me feel frustrated because they are often charging astronomical prices, and matching price with attitude.

This is bound to be controversial, but:
I personally have strong feelings about the relationship between art and craft. Conceptual art has led to a separation of the two, but I think &quot;real&quot; artists not only have an &lt;b&gt;intrinsic&lt;/b&gt; understanding to what I call the holiness of the world, but a strong connection between that and their hands, so that their understanding can be conveyed through objects that are not understandable in any other way but to experience the object personally. People who bring their &lt;b&gt;intellectual&lt;/b&gt; understanding to bear on a problem (such as making a woman look good or advertising a product or holding things) are &quot;designers,&quot; not artists. People who make objects that are interesting to look at but do not solve any problem or foster a deeper understanding of the world are &quot;crafters&quot;.

Hence, I think of my husband as an artist, myself as a designer, and many of the vendors at craft fairs crafters. Personally, I&#039;m not fond of crafts, they just clutter up precious space. But there are plenty of people who do like it...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel properly chastised for labelling DIY stuff &#8220;crap&#8221;&#8211;to be fair, I know several people who work the local trade show cuscuit who are producing really great, beautiful, useful products&#8211;they&#8217;re just in the minority. The majority is producing items that gives DIY a bad name&#8211;poorly made, poorly fitting items that I personally would feel embarrassed to wear. It makes me feel frustrated because they are often charging astronomical prices, and matching price with attitude.</p>
<p>This is bound to be controversial, but:<br />
I personally have strong feelings about the relationship between art and craft. Conceptual art has led to a separation of the two, but I think &#8220;real&#8221; artists not only have an <b>intrinsic</b> understanding to what I call the holiness of the world, but a strong connection between that and their hands, so that their understanding can be conveyed through objects that are not understandable in any other way but to experience the object personally. People who bring their <b>intellectual</b> understanding to bear on a problem (such as making a woman look good or advertising a product or holding things) are &#8220;designers,&#8221; not artists. People who make objects that are interesting to look at but do not solve any problem or foster a deeper understanding of the world are &#8220;crafters&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hence, I think of my husband as an artist, myself as a designer, and many of the vendors at craft fairs crafters. Personally, I&#8217;m not fond of crafts, they just clutter up precious space. But there are plenty of people who do like it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 00:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Rock Ridgeway and the Chameleon

The Carbondale (CO) Mountain Fair has been an institution for decades, juried, high quality, good mix of stuff.  Rock and his partner who demoed the thing were there one year - late &#039;80&#039;s?  They had an incredible presentation and when it was over, almost suffocated under people trying to hand money to them.

They then stiffed the fair - never paid their %.  This resulted in all kinds of really stupid legislating for vendors for the next year - one requirement was that you had to pay by certified check before leaving.  For a festival held in a park ending on a Sunday afternoon.  Right.

This has not dulled my favorable impression of their presentation, or the fun of their product.  If I ran across them, though, I might loudly ask if they are still skipping out on their obligations. Presumably not, if they&#039;re still around.
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<p>The Carbondale (CO) Mountain Fair has been an institution for decades, juried, high quality, good mix of stuff.  Rock and his partner who demoed the thing were there one year &#8211; late &#8217;80&#8217;s?  They had an incredible presentation and when it was over, almost suffocated under people trying to hand money to them.</p>
<p>They then stiffed the fair &#8211; never paid their %.  This resulted in all kinds of really stupid legislating for vendors for the next year &#8211; one requirement was that you had to pay by certified check before leaving.  For a festival held in a park ending on a Sunday afternoon.  Right.</p>
<p>This has not dulled my favorable impression of their presentation, or the fun of their product.  If I ran across them, though, I might loudly ask if they are still skipping out on their obligations. Presumably not, if they&#8217;re still around.</p>
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		<title>By: Arin Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arin Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Christy.. I misspelled your name last entry..
also congrats on paying off your home..!

Also forgot to add an S on Garnets name.. sorry!
Vendor is the &#039;V&#039; word to many artists because there is a huge difference between those of us who actually work with our hands and those who just sell a product they have never touched or created.
I know I am also a vendor but prefer artist/vendor or just plain artist.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Christy.. I misspelled your name last entry..<br />
also congrats on paying off your home..!</p>
<p>Also forgot to add an S on Garnets name.. sorry!<br />
Vendor is the &#8216;V&#8217; word to many artists because there is a huge difference between those of us who actually work with our hands and those who just sell a product they have never touched or created.<br />
I know I am also a vendor but prefer artist/vendor or just plain artist.</p>
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		<title>By: Arin Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arin Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Christie.. !!

Yes, I still do shows at the Tucson Museum of Art.
In fact just a couple of weeks ago, I had a phenomenal show there.. as usual. Tucson has always been a profitable market for me.

Since my work is so &#039;ethnic and colorful&#039; the locals and tourists keep me very busy there as they do here in NM.

You are so right.. it is all about a well made, unique product that is PRESENTED WELL.. and sold at the right price, in the RIGHT PLACE.

I may be one of the lucky ones Garnet but I, like Christie have not seen a drop in sales.. at all.
The Clinton years were great and lots of us did well in the 90&#039;s but I just had one of the best summer seasons ever in Santa Fe and so did many of my friends.
I think it is more than just placing your work in a booth at a show and hoping that it sells.
When I started out years ago I had a few not so great shows but as Christie said, in order to be successful, you have to do the right shows.

A few years ago I sold thousands of pieces to 5 stores in Japan in the fashionable Shibuya District. I made that contact at the Pearl Mall art show in Boulder. I don&#039;t think that would have happened at some bogus little show.

I also know people who have a hard time at any show. They should probably re-evaluate their work and try to key into WHAT SELLS..and become more innovative.
Like Kathleen, the D.E. Spy (just kidding Kathleen) says.. maybe they should buy her book!


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Christie.. !!</p>
<p>Yes, I still do shows at the Tucson Museum of Art.<br />
In fact just a couple of weeks ago, I had a phenomenal show there.. as usual. Tucson has always been a profitable market for me.</p>
<p>Since my work is so &#8216;ethnic and colorful&#8217; the locals and tourists keep me very busy there as they do here in NM.</p>
<p>You are so right.. it is all about a well made, unique product that is PRESENTED WELL.. and sold at the right price, in the RIGHT PLACE.</p>
<p>I may be one of the lucky ones Garnet but I, like Christie have not seen a drop in sales.. at all.<br />
The Clinton years were great and lots of us did well in the 90&#8217;s but I just had one of the best summer seasons ever in Santa Fe and so did many of my friends.<br />
I think it is more than just placing your work in a booth at a show and hoping that it sells.<br />
When I started out years ago I had a few not so great shows but as Christie said, in order to be successful, you have to do the right shows.</p>
<p>A few years ago I sold thousands of pieces to 5 stores in Japan in the fashionable Shibuya District. I made that contact at the Pearl Mall art show in Boulder. I don&#8217;t think that would have happened at some bogus little show.</p>
<p>I also know people who have a hard time at any show. They should probably re-evaluate their work and try to key into WHAT SELLS..and become more innovative.<br />
Like Kathleen, the D.E. Spy (just kidding Kathleen) says.. maybe they should buy her book!</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arin:
I&#039;m with you, kiddo.
I have made a nifty living doing the arts circuit and selling through galleries and small boutiques. I own a home (paid off the mortgage last month -yeah!) and have a lovely lifestyle.
I also live in a state with hefty tourism and support for artisan made goods.
There are a number of fantastic fiber artists here. I think I did a show with you at the Tuscon Museum a few years ago..it sounds like your work/setup.
I don&#039;t think the market peaked in the 90s..far from it! My sales were up almost 30% last year. I think the &quot;techno lifestyle&quot; is causing a BOOM in the &quot;handcrafted market. People are looking for &quot;feel good products&quot; and even all the DIY &quot;crap&quot; (and the WOATS and GOATS) is a sign of that. Not everyone wants a plateful of high gloss production stuff on a daily basis. The market is BOOMING if you have a UNIQUE item that is WELL MADE and at a GOOD PRICE POINT.
Sure..there are &quot;bomb&quot; shows..and scuzzy promoters everywhere who will scam you and PR a new show to death and lead the artists to believe it&#039;s a big deal when it&#039;s not. That happens in every industry and is rampant in the &quot;catwalk fashion scene&quot; as well..
If you stick to proven shows &quot;American Crafts Council&quot; &quot;Buyers Market&quot; &quot;Contemporary Crafts Market&quot; ,etc. etc.. - those shows (and many more) that have been around with well juried entries for a number of years, then you will find a great audience. I try to stick to indoor shows these days . That way the weather doesn&#039;t become a factor.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arin:<br />
I&#8217;m with you, kiddo.<br />
I have made a nifty living doing the arts circuit and selling through galleries and small boutiques. I own a home (paid off the mortgage last month -yeah!) and have a lovely lifestyle.<br />
I also live in a state with hefty tourism and support for artisan made goods.<br />
There are a number of fantastic fiber artists here. I think I did a show with you at the Tuscon Museum a few years ago..it sounds like your work/setup.<br />
I don&#8217;t think the market peaked in the 90s..far from it! My sales were up almost 30% last year. I think the &#8220;techno lifestyle&#8221; is causing a BOOM in the &#8220;handcrafted market. People are looking for &#8220;feel good products&#8221; and even all the DIY &#8220;crap&#8221; (and the WOATS and GOATS) is a sign of that. Not everyone wants a plateful of high gloss production stuff on a daily basis. The market is BOOMING if you have a UNIQUE item that is WELL MADE and at a GOOD PRICE POINT.<br />
Sure..there are &#8220;bomb&#8221; shows..and scuzzy promoters everywhere who will scam you and PR a new show to death and lead the artists to believe it&#8217;s a big deal when it&#8217;s not. That happens in every industry and is rampant in the &#8220;catwalk fashion scene&#8221; as well..<br />
If you stick to proven shows &#8220;American Crafts Council&#8221; &#8220;Buyers Market&#8221; &#8220;Contemporary Crafts Market&#8221; ,etc. etc.. &#8211; those shows (and many more) that have been around with well juried entries for a number of years, then you will find a great audience. I try to stick to indoor shows these days . That way the weather doesn&#8217;t become a factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Garnets</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not demeaning people who are vendors, just the opposite.  I find it amusing that many artists are offended by being referred to as &quot;vendors.&quot;  Anyway, it&#039;s wonderful and you are very fortunate that you have made a good living for yourself in that circuit.  I think you&#039;re the exception, most people do not.  I&#039;ve had fabulous shows and I&#039;ve had crummy shows.  It seems to be quite a crap shoot, even at the shows with a good reputation.  I do think it&#039;s kind of a racket.  The arts and craft show business seemed to peak in the 90&#039;s.  There&#039;s more competition for consumer&#039;s dollars now, and a greater availability of stylish, artsy, and inexpensive products in the marketplace.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not demeaning people who are vendors, just the opposite.  I find it amusing that many artists are offended by being referred to as &#8220;vendors.&#8221;  Anyway, it&#8217;s wonderful and you are very fortunate that you have made a good living for yourself in that circuit.  I think you&#8217;re the exception, most people do not.  I&#8217;ve had fabulous shows and I&#8217;ve had crummy shows.  It seems to be quite a crap shoot, even at the shows with a good reputation.  I do think it&#8217;s kind of a racket.  The arts and craft show business seemed to peak in the 90&#8217;s.  There&#8217;s more competition for consumer&#8217;s dollars now, and a greater availability of stylish, artsy, and inexpensive products in the marketplace.</p>
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		<title>By: Arin Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arin Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I am certainly glad that I wasn&#039;t berated for my work that was seen at the Dona Ana Renaissance Faire by the &#039;DE SPY&#039;!

She was actually forthcoming with me about the &#039;scouting&#039; (not the spy part.. didn&#039;t know I was being &#039;rated&#039;) and we had a good chat...
she didn&#039;t notice however, that the one Guatemalan vest &#039;displayed&#039; in my booth was actually the one I had been wearing and hung up on a rod behind my chair. I do not sell anything Guatemalan, just my own designs made from molas.
And yes, I do pay my Kuna Indian associates quite well.. as a matter of fact, they set the market price and I pay above that to ensure highest quality and to help create an economic avenue for tribal women. It has been a win win for almost 14 years.

She is correct about the quality of the show.
I would say though, that there were also some very fine artists at the show who would not be considered &#039;Designer Entrepreneurs&#039;. Many good friends of mine were there who, like me are on the art and craft show circuit because we are  &#039;Working Artists&#039; who actually do make a very good living selling our work. We do much more tham pay the rent. We own our own homes and have the time and resources to enjoy life too. My close friends and I do not depend on anyone else for income. I guess we are the lucky ones who live here in New Mexico where people come from around the world to see and buy our work.

I think it is easy for people like Garnets to criticize and demean us as just &#039;vendors&#039; and not &#039;artists and artisans&#039;. She may have been unsuccessful at shows because she doesn&#039;t have a fully developed art or craft.

It may also be a good idea to wish EVERYONE well who works hard to create and then attempts to sell their work at a show, regardless of their
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am certainly glad that I wasn&#8217;t berated for my work that was seen at the Dona Ana Renaissance Faire by the &#8216;DE SPY&#8217;!</p>
<p>She was actually forthcoming with me about the &#8217;scouting&#8217; (not the spy part.. didn&#8217;t know I was being &#8216;rated&#8217;) and we had a good chat&#8230;<br />
she didn&#8217;t notice however, that the one Guatemalan vest &#8216;displayed&#8217; in my booth was actually the one I had been wearing and hung up on a rod behind my chair. I do not sell anything Guatemalan, just my own designs made from molas.<br />
And yes, I do pay my Kuna Indian associates quite well.. as a matter of fact, they set the market price and I pay above that to ensure highest quality and to help create an economic avenue for tribal women. It has been a win win for almost 14 years.</p>
<p>She is correct about the quality of the show.<br />
I would say though, that there were also some very fine artists at the show who would not be considered &#8216;Designer Entrepreneurs&#8217;. Many good friends of mine were there who, like me are on the art and craft show circuit because we are  &#8216;Working Artists&#8217; who actually do make a very good living selling our work. We do much more tham pay the rent. We own our own homes and have the time and resources to enjoy life too. My close friends and I do not depend on anyone else for income. I guess we are the lucky ones who live here in New Mexico where people come from around the world to see and buy our work.</p>
<p>I think it is easy for people like Garnets to criticize and demean us as just &#8216;vendors&#8217; and not &#8216;artists and artisans&#8217;. She may have been unsuccessful at shows because she doesn&#8217;t have a fully developed art or craft.</p>
<p>It may also be a good idea to wish EVERYONE well who works hard to create and then attempts to sell their work at a show, regardless of their<br />
ability.</p>
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