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		<title>By: DesignerElla</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/designers_website_design_pt2/comment-page-1/#comment-18904</link>
		<dc:creator>DesignerElla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always use right-click to open in new tab. I hate being forced. Because of this, I hate flash links. Ugh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always use right-click to open in new tab. I hate being forced. Because of this, I hate flash links. Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Tricia</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/designers_website_design_pt2/comment-page-1/#comment-7105</link>
		<dc:creator>Tricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi!

I&#039;m a new reader; a web designer who&#039;s a home sewer.  I was really pleased to see this entry as there are a LOT of really bad sites out there, although I haven&#039;t seen as many bad DE sites as I have bad craft sites--there&#039;s some truly awful remnants of the 1990s out there.

I took the quiz you linked, and as a usability student found that it was pretty industry standard.  I have to wonder if you&#039;re looking at the &quot;expert review&quot; issue in the proper context--an expert review isn&#039;t conducted by an expert internet user, but by a usabilty expert.  They&#039;ve been in the industry, have done the user studies with actual users and know the common flaws.  When they do an expert review, they&#039;re making the first pass at making your site functional by eliminating all the stuff that they already know (based on that experience) will be a problem.

From what I&#039;ve read on your blog, it&#039;s more akin to you looking at a pattern and knowing that it won&#039;t work based on the sleeve shaping or lack of interfacing, etc, or &quot;proving&quot; it (I think that&#039;s the right term).  Ideally, I&#039;d do an expert review first (fast, could be cheap depending on the expert), THEN do user testing with real users, which can take a great deal of time.  When we do the user testing, we try to find the internet expert users and the novices (in my case, my mother..), and if we&#039;re able, people who are in the site&#039;s target demographic.

If there&#039;s interest, I could post some examples I&#039;ve done for school.

Anyhow, thanks for your informative site;  my passion is in a totally different industry, but you&#039;ve made me stop and really think about things I was in the habit of complaining about without really thinking them through (sizing and fit being chief among them).

I thought you might find &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.upassoc.org/upa_publications/upa_voice/volumes/2004/nov/cleaning_up.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; interesting. The author is much more articulate than I am on the subject of Expert Reviews and how they compliment User Testing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a new reader; a web designer who&#8217;s a home sewer.  I was really pleased to see this entry as there are a LOT of really bad sites out there, although I haven&#8217;t seen as many bad DE sites as I have bad craft sites&#8211;there&#8217;s some truly awful remnants of the 1990s out there.</p>
<p>I took the quiz you linked, and as a usability student found that it was pretty industry standard.  I have to wonder if you&#8217;re looking at the &#8220;expert review&#8221; issue in the proper context&#8211;an expert review isn&#8217;t conducted by an expert internet user, but by a usabilty expert.  They&#8217;ve been in the industry, have done the user studies with actual users and know the common flaws.  When they do an expert review, they&#8217;re making the first pass at making your site functional by eliminating all the stuff that they already know (based on that experience) will be a problem.</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve read on your blog, it&#8217;s more akin to you looking at a pattern and knowing that it won&#8217;t work based on the sleeve shaping or lack of interfacing, etc, or &#8220;proving&#8221; it (I think that&#8217;s the right term).  Ideally, I&#8217;d do an expert review first (fast, could be cheap depending on the expert), THEN do user testing with real users, which can take a great deal of time.  When we do the user testing, we try to find the internet expert users and the novices (in my case, my mother..), and if we&#8217;re able, people who are in the site&#8217;s target demographic.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s interest, I could post some examples I&#8217;ve done for school.</p>
<p>Anyhow, thanks for your informative site;  my passion is in a totally different industry, but you&#8217;ve made me stop and really think about things I was in the habit of complaining about without really thinking them through (sizing and fit being chief among them).</p>
<p>I thought you might find <a href="http://www.upassoc.org/upa_publications/upa_voice/volumes/2004/nov/cleaning_up.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a> interesting. The author is much more articulate than I am on the subject of Expert Reviews and how they compliment User Testing.</p>
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		<title>By: Portia</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/designers_website_design_pt2/comment-page-1/#comment-7104</link>
		<dc:creator>Portia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok so I pretty much agree with everything said about Flash and music, etc. Even more important is having sites be user friendly is a must.  However, lol, there is one site that I think is just perfect.  www.marni.com  I know it&#039;s in a different field because it is a huge fashion house in Europe, but it&#039;s a website nonetheless, so all still applies.  I find the music just quirky enough to actually highlight the intro.  Once it is over, I can get lost looking at the different products available forever.
I am especially fond of the magnifying tool when viewing items.  You can really get in close to the garment and see the fabric and detailing that makes it cost what it does.
Being a male designer of womens clothing, I get really frustrated with many women&#039;s fashion sites because not only am I not wearing any of it but I also have to deal with all of the bells &amp; whistles.  Marni&#039;site is easy to handle.  If you want to skip the video and music, they have the Products &amp; Moods tabs right at the top from the get go.  You don&#039;t have to wait till the &quot;show&quot; is over before you can start navigating.  Once you click on a garment a pic of it blows up. Keep clicking on it.  Amazing(?) or am I easily impressed?  I can tell you that i&#039;m anything but that.
The designs may not be everyones cup of tea as it is high fashion, but this thread is about websites after all.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok so I pretty much agree with everything said about Flash and music, etc. Even more important is having sites be user friendly is a must.  However, lol, there is one site that I think is just perfect.  <a href="http://www.marni.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.marni.com</a>  I know it&#8217;s in a different field because it is a huge fashion house in Europe, but it&#8217;s a website nonetheless, so all still applies.  I find the music just quirky enough to actually highlight the intro.  Once it is over, I can get lost looking at the different products available forever.<br />
I am especially fond of the magnifying tool when viewing items.  You can really get in close to the garment and see the fabric and detailing that makes it cost what it does.<br />
Being a male designer of womens clothing, I get really frustrated with many women&#8217;s fashion sites because not only am I not wearing any of it but I also have to deal with all of the bells &#038; whistles.  Marni&#8217;site is easy to handle.  If you want to skip the video and music, they have the Products &#038; Moods tabs right at the top from the get go.  You don&#8217;t have to wait till the &#8220;show&#8221; is over before you can start navigating.  Once you click on a garment a pic of it blows up. Keep clicking on it.  Amazing(?) or am I easily impressed?  I can tell you that i&#8217;m anything but that.<br />
The designs may not be everyones cup of tea as it is high fashion, but this thread is about websites after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post Kathleen!!!

On shopping sites, I cannot stand when there&#039;s no breadcrumb trail...so I can see where I am at all times and can navigate however I like, not just forward or backward. If I have to &quot;backout&quot; of a product listing by more than 3 clicks to get back to a main shopping menu or another sublevel, then I&#039;m done! Here&#039;s an example of a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.daisyjanie.com/product_info.php?products_id=238&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;breadcrumb trail&lt;/a&gt; on my own site. Look in the left corner, below the header. This is as &quot;deep&quot; as you can go, but you can go back to whichever level you choose easily!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Kathleen!!!</p>
<p>On shopping sites, I cannot stand when there&#8217;s no breadcrumb trail&#8230;so I can see where I am at all times and can navigate however I like, not just forward or backward. If I have to &#8220;backout&#8221; of a product listing by more than 3 clicks to get back to a main shopping menu or another sublevel, then I&#8217;m done! Here&#8217;s an example of a <a href="http://www.daisyjanie.com/product_info.php?products_id=238" rel="nofollow">breadcrumb trail</a> on my own site. Look in the left corner, below the header. This is as &#8220;deep&#8221; as you can go, but you can go back to whichever level you choose easily!</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trendy ads that make the page fold down (newpaper site) or have some animated guy trying to get my attention at the corner just make me leave.  And not come back.

Ditto with music, it woke up a sleeping baby far, far too often.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trendy ads that make the page fold down (newpaper site) or have some animated guy trying to get my attention at the corner just make me leave.  And not come back.</p>
<p>Ditto with music, it woke up a sleeping baby far, far too often.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know what you mean, and you make a lot of good points. I especially thought the Xangas (when they were popular) had some of the worst layouts ever, and I hate it when I need to highlight the text -to invert the colors- when text is unreadable.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean, and you make a lot of good points. I especially thought the Xangas (when they were popular) had some of the worst layouts ever, and I hate it when I need to highlight the text -to invert the colors- when text is unreadable.</p>
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		<title>By: Oxanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oxanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Might I heartily second the suggestion to read the &quot;HTML Hell&quot; website?  I have seen too many poorly-designed websites.  Fortunately, the number of professional/semi-professional sites that are *well* designed is increasing.

Oh, and here&#039;s a personal pet peeve, for anyone who has online shopping:  Don&#039;t. Make. Me. Accept. Cookies.  OK, let me modify that.  Cookies are OK once I actually decide to shop for things.  A clear statement (like, before I enter the shopping cart, or below the &quot;Add This Item to Cart&quot; button) that says &quot;Cookies are necessary to place an order/add to the cart/etc.&quot;, is OK.  If it&#039;s legible, and I want to buy, I&#039;ll deal with the cookies.  BUT, please don&#039;t be like Old Navy used to be and require me to accept your cookies before even browsing the website.  Pretty please?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I heartily second the suggestion to read the &#8220;HTML Hell&#8221; website?  I have seen too many poorly-designed websites.  Fortunately, the number of professional/semi-professional sites that are *well* designed is increasing.</p>
<p>Oh, and here&#8217;s a personal pet peeve, for anyone who has online shopping:  Don&#8217;t. Make. Me. Accept. Cookies.  OK, let me modify that.  Cookies are OK once I actually decide to shop for things.  A clear statement (like, before I enter the shopping cart, or below the &#8220;Add This Item to Cart&#8221; button) that says &#8220;Cookies are necessary to place an order/add to the cart/etc.&#8221;, is OK.  If it&#8217;s legible, and I want to buy, I&#8217;ll deal with the cookies.  BUT, please don&#8217;t be like Old Navy used to be and require me to accept your cookies before even browsing the website.  Pretty please?</p>
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		<title>By: Gorgeous Things</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorgeous Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 04:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen sister!  And thank you for bringing this up.  If a site comes up with flash or music I turn it off if I can.  If not, I use my back button to get the heck out of there.  Ditto with animations.  And Google ads drive me crazy!  The one area that I&#039;m still not entirely convinced about, though, is anonymous posts.  I allow them now, but I have had some really heinous comments in the past.  I am willing to put up with hate mail if the writer will ID themselves - I mean, c&#039;mon - it&#039;s the internet!  People can say they are David Hasselhoff if they want.  But getting a nasty comment from anonymous just makes me think that the poster is a gutless wonder.

Hmm, can you tell you hit a small nerve?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen sister!  And thank you for bringing this up.  If a site comes up with flash or music I turn it off if I can.  If not, I use my back button to get the heck out of there.  Ditto with animations.  And Google ads drive me crazy!  The one area that I&#8217;m still not entirely convinced about, though, is anonymous posts.  I allow them now, but I have had some really heinous comments in the past.  I am willing to put up with hate mail if the writer will ID themselves &#8211; I mean, c&#8217;mon &#8211; it&#8217;s the internet!  People can say they are David Hasselhoff if they want.  But getting a nasty comment from anonymous just makes me think that the poster is a gutless wonder.</p>
<p>Hmm, can you tell you hit a small nerve?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Getting ready to launch a website?  Please check out Eric Raymond&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://catb.org/~esr/html-hell.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HTML Hell website&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;gratuitous animation&lt;/b&gt;
With animations you get the all the wonderful injuries of the blink tag with the added insult of the graphics download time. People who abuse these should have flip books rammed into every bodily orifice until they figure out that a two- or three-frame graphics loop is even less pleasant than that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting ready to launch a website?  Please check out Eric Raymond&#8217;s <a href="http://catb.org/~esr/html-hell.html" rel="nofollow">HTML Hell website</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>gratuitous animation</b><br />
With animations you get the all the wonderful injuries of the blink tag with the added insult of the graphics download time. People who abuse these should have flip books rammed into every bodily orifice until they figure out that a two- or three-frame graphics loop is even less pleasant than that.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 22:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The site is back up but they took down the blue text! Bummer. There goes my example. I guess the site owner (who posted a spam comment to the blog) read my email about it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The site is back up but they took down the blue text! Bummer. There goes my example. I guess the site owner (who posted a spam comment to the blog) read my email about it.</p>
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