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		<title>By: Lisa Bloodgood in Portland</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/eco_iconic/comment-page-1/#comment-10465</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Bloodgood in Portland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I make sure to put my reusable bags back in the car.   They&#039;re the Trader Joe&#039;s ones made out of the same stuff they make tarps out of, so while they&#039;re not organic cotton or something, they are reusable.  I have a bag from Target made of...it&#039;s like thick nonwoven interfacing...and some tarp material ones from Ikea that are larger than the Trader Joe&#039;s ones that I keep inside for when I walk or take the bus for fewer things.

I wouldn&#039;t mind having a car that runs on biodiesel or soap or some nifty Tesla thing.  Tesla was cool.  For now it&#039;s an old Geo Metro.

&quot;what happens when people reach green saturation and fashions shift?&quot;
Maybe almost everything will be green and by then no one will notice.  I think the better we take care of our planet and resources, the better.  How would this help or hinder silk producers?  I like silk and sometimes it&#039;s the best thing for the job.  Also, white or off-white silk organza makes a really strong and nifty pressing cloth.  I got that tip from Threads, but I&#039;ve been using one for probably a year, and it&#039;s great.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I make sure to put my reusable bags back in the car.   They&#8217;re the Trader Joe&#8217;s ones made out of the same stuff they make tarps out of, so while they&#8217;re not organic cotton or something, they are reusable.  I have a bag from Target made of&#8230;it&#8217;s like thick nonwoven interfacing&#8230;and some tarp material ones from Ikea that are larger than the Trader Joe&#8217;s ones that I keep inside for when I walk or take the bus for fewer things.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t mind having a car that runs on biodiesel or soap or some nifty Tesla thing.  Tesla was cool.  For now it&#8217;s an old Geo Metro.</p>
<p>&#8220;what happens when people reach green saturation and fashions shift?&#8221;<br />
Maybe almost everything will be green and by then no one will notice.  I think the better we take care of our planet and resources, the better.  How would this help or hinder silk producers?  I like silk and sometimes it&#8217;s the best thing for the job.  Also, white or off-white silk organza makes a really strong and nifty pressing cloth.  I got that tip from Threads, but I&#8217;ve been using one for probably a year, and it&#8217;s great.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric H</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/eco_iconic/comment-page-1/#comment-10464</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Grace on this: I&#039;m glad that the trend has shifted toward green where it&#039;s reasonable, but I&#039;m a little uneasy.

Things are not always as they appear. The shift from paper towards plastic bags in the first place was in response to an earlier belief that we were killing trees to make them. True, but most of it comes from farmed trees grown for that purpose. Thus, we had a fashionable shift from a renewable to a non-renewable resource. The pro-hybrid regulation may be similar: taxi drivers are not too stupid or poor (a medallion in NYC costs $300,000) to make that kind of investment on their own, and GM may have previously had a hand in driving out autobuses and jitneys, so one wonders what kind of back-room dealing was involved. And of course it puts the city in the position of picking the winner, which the hybrid may not be.

But my bigger concerns are (a) how much of this is greenwashing, and (b) what happens when people reach green saturation and fashions shift?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Grace on this: I&#8217;m glad that the trend has shifted toward green where it&#8217;s reasonable, but I&#8217;m a little uneasy.</p>
<p>Things are not always as they appear. The shift from paper towards plastic bags in the first place was in response to an earlier belief that we were killing trees to make them. True, but most of it comes from farmed trees grown for that purpose. Thus, we had a fashionable shift from a renewable to a non-renewable resource. The pro-hybrid regulation may be similar: taxi drivers are not too stupid or poor (a medallion in NYC costs $300,000) to make that kind of investment on their own, and GM may have previously had a hand in driving out autobuses and jitneys, so one wonders what kind of back-room dealing was involved. And of course it puts the city in the position of picking the winner, which the hybrid may not be.</p>
<p>But my bigger concerns are (a) how much of this is greenwashing, and (b) what happens when people reach green saturation and fashions shift?</p>
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		<title>By: Claire-Marie Costanza</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/eco_iconic/comment-page-1/#comment-10463</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire-Marie Costanza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tesla will do 0 to 60 mph in 3.9 seconds, top speed 125 mph. That ought to be fast enough.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.teslamotors.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.teslamotors.com/&lt;/a&gt;

The Tesla does indeed &quot;make a statement about me&quot; for many reasons, not just Eco-Chic.

A quick google search reveals other electric cars (in production now or soon) that can reach and maintain freeway speeds. NEVs (Neighborhood Electric Vehicles) do indeed have lower top speeds (25-35) but NEVs are only one type of electric car.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhood_electric_vehicle&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhood_electric_vehicle&lt;/a&gt;

Claire-Marie
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tesla will do 0 to 60 mph in 3.9 seconds, top speed 125 mph. That ought to be fast enough.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.teslamotors.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.teslamotors.com/</a></p>
<p>The Tesla does indeed &#8220;make a statement about me&#8221; for many reasons, not just Eco-Chic.</p>
<p>A quick google search reveals other electric cars (in production now or soon) that can reach and maintain freeway speeds. NEVs (Neighborhood Electric Vehicles) do indeed have lower top speeds (25-35) but NEVs are only one type of electric car.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhood_electric_vehicle" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhood_electric_vehicle</a></p>
<p>Claire-Marie</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/eco_iconic/comment-page-1/#comment-10462</link>
		<dc:creator>Natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad used to drive a converted biodiesel car during the oil crisis in the 70&#039;s. He converted it himself and ran it off fish and chip oil. There are a few around here. You don&#039;t notice them until you start craving fries or chinese food and the smell is wafting in the cabin

One caveat on the Telsa&#039;s and other similar cars they don&#039;t go that fast. We were looking at one for short commutes but they don&#039;t go over 35 miles per hour and in LA you can drive that slow even on the streets.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad used to drive a converted biodiesel car during the oil crisis in the 70&#8217;s. He converted it himself and ran it off fish and chip oil. There are a few around here. You don&#8217;t notice them until you start craving fries or chinese food and the smell is wafting in the cabin</p>
<p>One caveat on the Telsa&#8217;s and other similar cars they don&#8217;t go that fast. We were looking at one for short commutes but they don&#8217;t go over 35 miles per hour and in LA you can drive that slow even on the streets.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to see more diesels in the US, since you can run them on a lot of different bio-blends as well as regular diesel fuel.  I was intrigued by them when I stumbled upon &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.greasecar.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.greasecar.com&lt;/a&gt;
It fascinates me that you can make diesel cars run on waste cooking oil - it&#039;s recycling and less polluting at the same time.

That said, my dream car is the Tesla electric sports car.  I&#039;ll have to be very successful in my business if I hope to afford that one at $100K+.  But it&#039;s so cool :-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to see more diesels in the US, since you can run them on a lot of different bio-blends as well as regular diesel fuel.  I was intrigued by them when I stumbled upon <a href="http://www.greasecar.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.greasecar.com</a><br />
It fascinates me that you can make diesel cars run on waste cooking oil &#8211; it&#8217;s recycling and less polluting at the same time.</p>
<p>That said, my dream car is the Tesla electric sports car.  I&#8217;ll have to be very successful in my business if I hope to afford that one at $100K+.  But it&#8217;s so cool <img src='http://www.fashion-incubator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a MINI Cooper.  Surveys of MINI Cooper owners also say that their car &#039;makes a statement about me&#039;.  Hubby used to drive a Lincoln Mark 8 (yuck).  He also would have marked that the car &#039;makes a statement about me&#039;.

If people are car conscious, then yes, the car makes a statement about them.  If all they want is to get from point A to point B, then they could care less.

That was a crappy survey.

As an aside, Hubby now drives a Jetta TDI.  He *loves* it.  VW is making a huge mistake by not bringing more of their diesels to the US.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a MINI Cooper.  Surveys of MINI Cooper owners also say that their car &#8216;makes a statement about me&#8217;.  Hubby used to drive a Lincoln Mark 8 (yuck).  He also would have marked that the car &#8216;makes a statement about me&#8217;.</p>
<p>If people are car conscious, then yes, the car makes a statement about them.  If all they want is to get from point A to point B, then they could care less.</p>
<p>That was a crappy survey.</p>
<p>As an aside, Hubby now drives a Jetta TDI.  He *loves* it.  VW is making a huge mistake by not bringing more of their diesels to the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire-Marie Costanza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire-Marie Costanza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 03:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is something about the &quot;why I bought a Prius&quot; survey that just didn&#039;t sit right with me; now I realize what bothers me about it.

If you give purchasers of ANY model of car a similar multiple choice survey, a big proportion of those car purchasers will also choose &quot;Makes a statement about me&quot;. Why did you buy a Hummer? Corvette? Cadillac Escalade? Volkswagon Bug? Ginormous Pickup Truck? Miata? &quot;Makes a statement about me&quot;.

I have been amazed in the past to read about or talk to car buyers where the biggest deciding factor about which car to buy (a MAJOR purchase) is the styling or the &quot;image&quot; associated with the car. (Or where the cup holder is located.) I just don&#039;t think Prius buyers are unique (or &quot;more unique&quot;) in this regard. If &quot;Makes a statement about me&quot; had not been one of the mulitple choices in the survey, the responders would have selected a different multiple choice and the results and the spin on this survey would be a bit different, me thinks. I&#039;ve participated in mulitple choice phone surveys before; these are not open ended survey questions.

Claire-Marie
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is something about the &#8220;why I bought a Prius&#8221; survey that just didn&#8217;t sit right with me; now I realize what bothers me about it.</p>
<p>If you give purchasers of ANY model of car a similar multiple choice survey, a big proportion of those car purchasers will also choose &#8220;Makes a statement about me&#8221;. Why did you buy a Hummer? Corvette? Cadillac Escalade? Volkswagon Bug? Ginormous Pickup Truck? Miata? &#8220;Makes a statement about me&#8221;.</p>
<p>I have been amazed in the past to read about or talk to car buyers where the biggest deciding factor about which car to buy (a MAJOR purchase) is the styling or the &#8220;image&#8221; associated with the car. (Or where the cup holder is located.) I just don&#8217;t think Prius buyers are unique (or &#8220;more unique&#8221;) in this regard. If &#8220;Makes a statement about me&#8221; had not been one of the mulitple choices in the survey, the responders would have selected a different multiple choice and the results and the spin on this survey would be a bit different, me thinks. I&#8217;ve participated in mulitple choice phone surveys before; these are not open ended survey questions.</p>
<p>Claire-Marie</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie Burner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie Burner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the plastic bags. Most stores won&#039;t even offer paper anymore, and living in the mountains like I do, it only took one trip back up the mountain with plastic to make me hate them. The groceries were all over the back of the car, and I had to bag them before removing them. I started saving the paper bags and taking those back to the store. (Some will give you a $0.05 credit for each paper or fabric bag). Paper bags also make great compost. I finally received some upholstery books and made my own &quot;paper bags&quot;, and everyone loves them... When I remember to bring them into the store.. Or as you said, they don&#039;t try to charge me for them and put them into a plastic bag!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the plastic bags. Most stores won&#8217;t even offer paper anymore, and living in the mountains like I do, it only took one trip back up the mountain with plastic to make me hate them. The groceries were all over the back of the car, and I had to bag them before removing them. I started saving the paper bags and taking those back to the store. (Some will give you a $0.05 credit for each paper or fabric bag). Paper bags also make great compost. I finally received some upholstery books and made my own &#8220;paper bags&#8221;, and everyone loves them&#8230; When I remember to bring them into the store.. Or as you said, they don&#8217;t try to charge me for them and put them into a plastic bag!</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lightbulb series: &lt;a href=&quot;http://badmomgoodmom.blogspot.com/search?q=light+bulb&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://badmomgoodmom.blogspot.com/search?q=light+bulb&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://badmomgoodmom.blogspot.com/search?q=light+bulb&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

I am uncomfortable with eco-chic signaling.  What happens when  fashion changes?  Will energy policy swing as quickly as hemlines?  Is it too much to hope for rationality over hype?

I rinse out plastic produce bags and stuff them into canvas bags.  I put them on the doorknob so I remember to put them into the car.  Mark is almost trained to use the canvas bags  (~85% of the time). He thinks it is weird to reuse plastic produce bags but I persevere.  I bring my own jars to the bulk bins, and the staff at Whole Foods no longer wonders what I am doing.

We rarely get our groceries bagged in plastic because I am too type A to stand around and wait for them to bag my groceries.  I bag them while the cashier scans them.

I just bought some organic bamboo/cotton/lycra from Dharma Trading for ~$11/yd.  It is sheerer than I like, so I will use it doubled in some areas.  That makes it expensive, but it sure is soft.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lightbulb series: <a href="http://badmomgoodmom.blogspot.com/search?q=light+bulb" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://badmomgoodmom.blogspot.com/search?q=light+bulb" rel="nofollow">http://badmomgoodmom.blogspot.com/search?q=light+bulb</a></p>
<p>I am uncomfortable with eco-chic signaling.  What happens when  fashion changes?  Will energy policy swing as quickly as hemlines?  Is it too much to hope for rationality over hype?</p>
<p>I rinse out plastic produce bags and stuff them into canvas bags.  I put them on the doorknob so I remember to put them into the car.  Mark is almost trained to use the canvas bags  (~85% of the time). He thinks it is weird to reuse plastic produce bags but I persevere.  I bring my own jars to the bulk bins, and the staff at Whole Foods no longer wonders what I am doing.</p>
<p>We rarely get our groceries bagged in plastic because I am too type A to stand around and wait for them to bag my groceries.  I bag them while the cashier scans them.</p>
<p>I just bought some organic bamboo/cotton/lycra from Dharma Trading for ~$11/yd.  It is sheerer than I like, so I will use it doubled in some areas.  That makes it expensive, but it sure is soft.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we converted to fabric bags, it took some transition time too. Eric does the grocery shopping (I do the cooking; a fair trade in my estimation). After unpacking the bags, he usually puts the bags back in the car or he piles them in front of the door so one has to step on them to get out the door. Then, there&#039;s transition at the store. Having them there and still forgetting to use them. Or even, dealing with grocery clerks. In the past, he&#039;s passed the bags to the checker who then put them all in a plastic bag...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we converted to fabric bags, it took some transition time too. Eric does the grocery shopping (I do the cooking; a fair trade in my estimation). After unpacking the bags, he usually puts the bags back in the car or he piles them in front of the door so one has to step on them to get out the door. Then, there&#8217;s transition at the store. Having them there and still forgetting to use them. Or even, dealing with grocery clerks. In the past, he&#8217;s passed the bags to the checker who then put them all in a plastic bag&#8230;</p>
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