Establishing payment terms

Posted by Miracle Wanzo on Nov 21, 2005 at 1:48 pm / Fulfillment, Sales and Marketing, Small Business / Trackback

One of my posts sparked a very good response. As I was composing a comment, I realized that the comment was long enough to be a separate posting, so here it is.

Everyone bitches back and forth, retailer to manufacturer etc…But the most prevalent complaint and annoyance most brands have with retailers is that getting paid within their set terms is usually an adventure. Yes the are a FEW retailers that honor their commitments, but why do you think a lot of brands are forced to retail their own stuff ?

Well, the issue is that a large number of DEs offer retailers Net-30 payment terms when they should not. I see far too many DEs who make that mistake (I cannot reiterate that far too many DEs make that mistake).

My experience has been that most of the companies that offer terms are either large enough to carry the invoices (and have a dedicated collections or accounting department to handle the management of invoices) or they factor their invoices. There are a handful of factors that specialize in the apparel industry and most manufacturers, fabric mills and converters, and other industry suppliers that factor, use these companies.


What happens with DEs is that they are so eager to get the business, they get bullied (or sometimes not even bullied, just persuaded or asked) into offering terms. They talk about running a Dunn & Bradstreet (D&B) report but that won’t tell you a whole lot if the company is not dealing with vendors who report to Dunn & Bradstreet. Kind of like the way a credit report won’t tell you if a person pays their light bill (in most cases). Let me reiterate that:

May DEs are so eager (and sometimes desperate) to get into a store that they offer payment terms when they should not. Matter of fact, a lot of mistakes I see DEs make is because they are eager to get business.

When you’re new, unless you have someone seasoned guiding you, you have no clue which stores have a good payment history. This is where experienced industry sales reps have an advantage, as your sales rep will definitely know which of their store accounts pay and which do not (as they don’t get paid until you do). There are some prominent showrooms that build their reputation on knowing so much about the retail landscape in their area, they can steer a DE into the right stores and help them avoid bad stores with a good image and deal with stores that have “payment issues”. Many stores use their supplier’s terms to finance their inventory, most people in this industry are using the benefit of Peter’s payment terms to pay Paul. I hear the “good” stores are the worst at this.

Now I doubt anyone here would let a consumer buy on terms, but they seem to think that all retailers deserve the same type of treatment when it comes to issues like that and there is little evidence to suggest that they do. Unless you are willing to battle it out in court, there is little that a DE can do when a store refuses to pay. You cross state lines (say you’re in Texas and this store is in Arizona) and it’s even more complex for you to take them to court. “But I have a contract, I have a signed purchase order where the buyer agreed to my terms of sale” is often the first rebuttal (and many people don’t have that as they took an order over the phone). But again, contracts become enforceable when you take legal action (i.e. go to court), there are no contract police. I have asked quite a few DEs about this “what do you do about those retailers who do not pay” and they have all replied “There is little I can do. Sure I have some recourse, but when it’s a small invoice, It’s often not important enough to devote the resources to it.”

DEs should be getting paid upfront. With a credit card and signed authorization, with a check or with COD (which is the least preferable of upfront payment methods because those checks can bounce by the time you get to deposit them). If you’re not swimming in cash, you should not offer terms.

There is a general nature to receivables (invoices you need to collect). There is often a lot of available data, that may vary from industry to industry, about what percentage of invoices are paid within the terms, and then what percentage are aged (overdue) and for how long. It is an expectation that when you offer terms you will have certain percentages of past due 30,60,90,120 days and more and a certain percentage that you never recover. A quick google of the term “accounts receivables” yields this link. And having taken more accounting classes than I care to discuss, in general, this is what an accounts receivable aging report looks like. It is a business anomaly to have one where all accounts are current.

If it was uncommon for customers to pay late, factors would not exist. I went to one seminar on starting an apparel business where the owner actually showed her receivables aging report. This is a company with about $15-20 million in annual revenue. Everybody has aged receivables.

Having said that this is a general business issue that comes up when you offer payment terms, no matter what industry you are in. It’s difficult to understand when a DE acts surprised that some, or many, of their accounts do not pay on time. A simple quick read of a small business accounting book would yield this information. Asking other DEs would as well. It’s general industry/business knowledge that it’s hard to collect when you offer terms. Since most DEs are not good at collecting (you design, remember) and many are not incredibly confident when dealing with retailers, you don’t make the best collection agents (generally) and often don’t have enough time to do it.

Now I can sit here and say that retailers are crappy for not paying their bills, which is true, but the reality is that in general, that’s what happens when you offer terms across industries. And your largest companies (like large regional stores or department store chains) are the absolute worst.

So if any DE is reading this post, take it to heart. Only offer terms when you can afford to not get paid on time. Only sell to department stores if you can afford to get paid very, very late and then not in full (as they are notorious for charge backs). Never finance a store’s inventory just to get your foot in the door, as many DEs do. Have the confidence that your brand will sell well enough to mandate payment upfront. The stores that will not buy your brand because you won’t offer terms are likely to be the ones who have a hard time paying invoices.

If you plan on growing to have a decent size of receivables (say $500,000), build a buffer into your wholesale price just in case you decide to factor your invoices. If you don’t want to factor, ever, and you’re pretty slick at financial analysis, built in a buffer into your wholesale price to “cushion” against the receivables you don’t collect upon. This is why costing is crucial.

Now sure, some stores will really need terms. How have I seen DEs resolve this? They offer terms after X number of invoices are paid upfront. For example, after three pre-paid invoices, the retailer can apply for terms. At this point, you have established a relationship with the store and terms are not being granted to a new account that you know little about.

Now on the flip side, as a DE, you’d be surprised at how many fabric mills and converters offer net-60 payment terms (I haven’t seen this as much with jobbers). If you’re lean and collecting payment from your retailers before shipping, you are basically paying for your fabric after you get paid for your orders. I bet fabric mills could complain all day long about DEs who don’t pay on time.

Everybody’s using Peter to pay Paul in this industry :)

10 Responses to “Establishing payment terms”

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DL
November 21st, 2005
2:45 PM

In my experience, a retailer wants to pay the supplier as quickly as possible, so they can reorder. If the supplier is waiting for weeks for a payment, chances are their merchandise isn’t moving, so the retailer doesn’t intend to reorder anyway -ever. They pay for their fast movers first so they can reorder, then pay the other accounts as they free up the cash to do so.

There’s no law that says you have to offer any kind of terms; you can insist on cash up front. But a retailer will have to be convinced the items will sell, AND have the appropriate amount of cash available when he orders.

I would say that if you can’t offer terms, say so up front, and offer another incentive instead -particularly, a much smaller minimum order. It’s unrealistic to ask a retailer to gamble $500.00 ready cash on an unproven product. But $50.00 is much more palatable and more reasonable. If they won’t gamble $50., either they aren’t impressed with your product, aren’t convinced it will sell, are already overstocked or are simply in a sales slump. Better to try again at another time. Or, maybe you’re simply pitching to the wrong market.

MikeC
November 21st, 2005
5:29 PM

We offered terms once to a retailer we trusted. Of course, she stiffed us.

We’re credit card or COD only now.

Christy Fisher
November 21st, 2005
5:40 PM

Your are a goddess , Miracle, for posting this!! So true..
And the DEs who DO extend terms to people because they are sooooo desperate for sales, make it THAT much harder for those of us who are saying “no” to terms.
I see a LOT of DEs who think they can start out and do a show like MAGIC right off the bat and “get a break” by having some MAJOR pick them up.. and THEN try to “figure out” how to hustle the production and collection end of it..WRONG MOVE!!
Again- THANK YOU..for posting this.

Honey Matthews
August 8th, 2007
10:34 AM

Thank you so much for this post! For months now I have been searching for the right information to guide me, as I’m a rookie and about to attempt to get my clothing line into stores this summer.

I totally had the wrong idea on what to do, I was almost positive I should offer a 30, or 60 day NET, but after reading your blog I have changed my mind. I will not offer any terms until I have established a relationship with my retailers.

I have many more in dept questions, hopefully I can search your site for more answers, you would make a great Mentor! Thank you for the guidance, I am totally a fan.

Carolyn
Honey Matthews Designs

Sarah M.
September 6th, 2007
3:03 PM

I got burned by one of my first stores. I started on consignment with her, the handbags sold and she paid. Then she ordered more and paid. Then ordered a bunch more right away. Right after they were delivered, the previous check bounced! I was a brand new company, out thousands of dollars. Long story short, I did get paid. It was a huge hassle and it eats away at you. Beware of big orders.

Companies that do bad business like this, go out of business. But then they open up under a new name. Check out the department of state (that store is in) corporate filings, by company name and store owner name. Chances are if they don’t pay their taxes, they won’t pay you either!

suzanna
February 18th, 2009
10:20 PM

i may be slow…but, i’ve been reading the threads on wholesale pricing and keep coming across offering terms. could you explain to me what terms are? i’m assuming it means allowing retailers to pay after delivery is made versus paying before or on delivery, is that right? do manufacturers ever take full payment before the cut and sew? and if you are new to the biz. is that acceptable.
thanks in advance,
suzanna

chicadecanela
July 28th, 2009
8:26 AM

This has been so enlightening. I´ve discovered your website today and i´m enjoying it so much. It is full of smart advices!

Selling clothes to stores
February 11th, 2010
12:14 PM

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Phike
June 4th, 2014
1:55 PM

Awesome! Thanks for that. I’ll tell you what, I feel less stupid after reading this as an emerging designer who fell very nicely into that ‘terms’ trap by making the mistake of offering terms to a retailer. I was naive and desperate to be able to say my brand is “NOW IN-STORE” at mall ‘AMAZING AND YOU CAN ONLY GET IN IF YOU ARE AS AMAZING AS ME!’ I think actually it was a combination of desperation and ego. To be true, I saw the signs that the store had a problem with cash but the place was just so cool looking that it was easy to brush it off. Long story short, the retailer played me like a piano and I learnt a very expensive lesson. NO MORE TERMS!

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