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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/fashion_bullies/comment-page-1/#comment-8892</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, I think you miss the nuance of what I represent to visitors. Just as it is not inevitable that one exploit child labor, one need not strive to be a &quot;brand&quot;. If visitors elect to do the latter, that is their personal choice. I think there is little doubt to regular visitors that I espouse smaller lines characterized by high quality craftsmanship and innovative design, rather than template coffin clothes. The demand for the former is driven by their inherent value, not the artifice of media marketing. I think the greatest integrity is attained by cut, not a slapped on logo. Ideally, a consumer would purchase an item because of the value it represents, not because the &quot;brand&quot; is obvious to anyone. If you make really nice stuff, you don&#039;t need to promote it the way things are these days. The epitome of design integrity means people will purchase the *item* based on its own merits -regardless of whoever made it- rather than an item that is a vehicle of what is in effect, a facsimile reproduction of your logo.

&lt;i&gt;Perhaps the site content could be recalibrated to focus on teaching people to design &amp; make clothing for themselves rather than dictate trends to others?&lt;/i&gt;

First, &quot;dictate trends to others&quot;? Are you serious? I have never dictated style trends to anyone -ever- nor will I. That is a design function; I am not a designer. I feel that dictating style direction and trends is an insult to my visitors who *are* designers. That&#039;s their job, I&#039;m not going to second guess them. I&#039;m an engineer; I just make what they envision, happen.

Second, sure, I could recalibrate to focus on teaching people to design and make clothing for themselves but there&#039;s a big downside. It&#039;s called making a living. As in, I have to make one. Iow, how would I make a living posting free content? The value is only flowing one way. I give and you compensate me with ______? As it is, there&#039;s tons of free educational materials to help improve the quality of one&#039;s output. See the tutorials index under the ADMIN heading in the left sidebar. Lastly, I will be starting another site along the lines of what you mention but it won&#039;t be free. Similarly, it will focus on commercial standards of excellence (lamentably abandoned as of late) which I think enthusiasts would do well to adopt.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, I think you miss the nuance of what I represent to visitors. Just as it is not inevitable that one exploit child labor, one need not strive to be a &#8220;brand&#8221;. If visitors elect to do the latter, that is their personal choice. I think there is little doubt to regular visitors that I espouse smaller lines characterized by high quality craftsmanship and innovative design, rather than template coffin clothes. The demand for the former is driven by their inherent value, not the artifice of media marketing. I think the greatest integrity is attained by cut, not a slapped on logo. Ideally, a consumer would purchase an item because of the value it represents, not because the &#8220;brand&#8221; is obvious to anyone. If you make really nice stuff, you don&#8217;t need to promote it the way things are these days. The epitome of design integrity means people will purchase the *item* based on its own merits -regardless of whoever made it- rather than an item that is a vehicle of what is in effect, a facsimile reproduction of your logo.</p>
<p><i>Perhaps the site content could be recalibrated to focus on teaching people to design &#038; make clothing for themselves rather than dictate trends to others?</i></p>
<p>First, &#8220;dictate trends to others&#8221;? Are you serious? I have never dictated style trends to anyone -ever- nor will I. That is a design function; I am not a designer. I feel that dictating style direction and trends is an insult to my visitors who *are* designers. That&#8217;s their job, I&#8217;m not going to second guess them. I&#8217;m an engineer; I just make what they envision, happen.</p>
<p>Second, sure, I could recalibrate to focus on teaching people to design and make clothing for themselves but there&#8217;s a big downside. It&#8217;s called making a living. As in, I have to make one. Iow, how would I make a living posting free content? The value is only flowing one way. I give and you compensate me with ______? As it is, there&#8217;s tons of free educational materials to help improve the quality of one&#8217;s output. See the tutorials index under the ADMIN heading in the left sidebar. Lastly, I will be starting another site along the lines of what you mention but it won&#8217;t be free. Similarly, it will focus on commercial standards of excellence (lamentably abandoned as of late) which I think enthusiasts would do well to adopt.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy McDonald</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/fashion_bullies/comment-page-1/#comment-8891</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with the second poster (Dave) on this one...

The problem lies with the notion of trends - this is the mechanism that underpins the whole theory of fashion. You cannot actively encourage grassroots capitalism whilst simultaneously distancing yourself from its damaging effects. Whether it be brand bullying or child labour, the common cause is the very subject your site seeks to promote. I do not wish this to seem like a personal attack - it just strikes me as somewhat inconsistent logic.

Perhaps the site content could be recalibrated to focus on teaching people to design &amp; make clothing for themselves rather than dictate trends to others? To my mind, this is simply returning to the craft philosophy that predates the emergence of fashion during the industrial revolution.

Cheers, Andy (Scotland)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with the second poster (Dave) on this one&#8230;</p>
<p>The problem lies with the notion of trends &#8211; this is the mechanism that underpins the whole theory of fashion. You cannot actively encourage grassroots capitalism whilst simultaneously distancing yourself from its damaging effects. Whether it be brand bullying or child labour, the common cause is the very subject your site seeks to promote. I do not wish this to seem like a personal attack &#8211; it just strikes me as somewhat inconsistent logic.</p>
<p>Perhaps the site content could be recalibrated to focus on teaching people to design &#038; make clothing for themselves rather than dictate trends to others? To my mind, this is simply returning to the craft philosophy that predates the emergence of fashion during the industrial revolution.</p>
<p>Cheers, Andy (Scotland)</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Melin</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/fashion_bullies/comment-page-1/#comment-8890</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Melin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s clear to me from the above posts, and my own experiences, that the one&#039;s who benefit most from the &quot;freedom&quot; of a relaxed dress code, are the exclusivist fashion divas, the queen bees, the prima donnas of the class.
Sociologist have clearly demonstrated in numerous studies that all teens observe a definate rank of popularity very similar to that of queen bees and their drones.  Without exception, each teen who participated was able to place each of her female peers into the same rank number according to popularity.  There was absolutely no confusion amongst them as to who ranked where (amazing!!!)
The beauty of uniforms is the leveling effect that they have on this social structure. (Which, if you have ever been bullied, you surely recognize as ominous).
Even if the students do personalize the uniforms, there is still a clear message of unity and equality that prevails in the classroom.
Enforcing a uniforms-only dress code may not be a cure all to all bullying, but it most definately wields a heavy blow to the most basic platform of snobbery among teens (i.e. fashion)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s clear to me from the above posts, and my own experiences, that the one&#8217;s who benefit most from the &#8220;freedom&#8221; of a relaxed dress code, are the exclusivist fashion divas, the queen bees, the prima donnas of the class.<br />
Sociologist have clearly demonstrated in numerous studies that all teens observe a definate rank of popularity very similar to that of queen bees and their drones.  Without exception, each teen who participated was able to place each of her female peers into the same rank number according to popularity.  There was absolutely no confusion amongst them as to who ranked where (amazing!!!)<br />
The beauty of uniforms is the leveling effect that they have on this social structure. (Which, if you have ever been bullied, you surely recognize as ominous).<br />
Even if the students do personalize the uniforms, there is still a clear message of unity and equality that prevails in the classroom.<br />
Enforcing a uniforms-only dress code may not be a cure all to all bullying, but it most definately wields a heavy blow to the most basic platform of snobbery among teens (i.e. fashion)</p>
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		<title>By: Babette</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/fashion_bullies/comment-page-1/#comment-8889</link>
		<dc:creator>Babette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen,  I don&#039;t think that by helping DEs to build and grow businesses you are contributing to the massive marketing machine that helps to drive fashion bullying.

You always encourage an umbrella of environmental awareness toward production to the point of less product, longer life.  This is directly contrary to the speedier and speedier fashion lifecycle of garments that must be discarded for the newest, latest thing before its first wash.

Further, bullying is a feature of children&#039;s behaviour and just manifests itself in the elements which show points of difference be it clothes or accessories.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen,  I don&#8217;t think that by helping DEs to build and grow businesses you are contributing to the massive marketing machine that helps to drive fashion bullying.</p>
<p>You always encourage an umbrella of environmental awareness toward production to the point of less product, longer life.  This is directly contrary to the speedier and speedier fashion lifecycle of garments that must be discarded for the newest, latest thing before its first wash.</p>
<p>Further, bullying is a feature of children&#8217;s behaviour and just manifests itself in the elements which show points of difference be it clothes or accessories.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric H</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/fashion_bullies/comment-page-1/#comment-8888</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having gone to a Catholic school and a private school (with help, thanks to their endowment), I have been on both sides. The Catholic school required not just a uniform, but a very specific uniform supplied by one store. Just before I started at that school, the store burned down. I can&#039;t remember if we bought something or if Mom made something &quot;close enough&quot;, but it was always obvious that my uniform was slightly off color from everyone else. But there was very little teasing -- what were they going to say, they were wearing a freakin&#039; uniform!

The private school ditched the blazers before I started there, but they still had a dress code: no shorts, no &quot;dungarees&quot; (jeans), no t-shirts, belts must be worn with pants with loops, etc. So we weren&#039;t traditional prep, but we weren&#039;t a bunch of slobs, either. Every day was a fashion show in which I couldn&#039;t compete, and it caused a lot of anxiety on my part, and probably exasperation on Mom&#039;s (&quot;What&#039;s wrong with these?&quot; &quot;Mom, this is K-Mart!&quot; &quot;So?&quot;).

When they started proposing uniforms in the mid-schools here, I found myself ambivalent. On the one hand, I&#039;m not sure we need any more regimentation than they are already trying to induce. On the other hand, it levels the playing field a great deal and directs more attention to schooling than to the fashion show. Yeah, you can still differentiate on the basis of accessories, but snappy ties and earrings are a $15-20 highlight instead of a $150-200, Nike- and Izod- or Tommy-fueled arms race. It&#039;s subtle rather than overt, and therefore not as likely to result in beatings and drive-bys over Air Jordans.

The thing that really drove me in that direction was the parent-supported argument by one girl in front of the school board: &quot;My clothes are how I express myself.&quot; I&#039;m sorry, but you aren&#039;t expressing yourself with your Marilyn Manson t-shirt so much as you are expressing your affinity with your clique. Today, they are literally using branding and ear-tagging to identify their herd. If you want to express yourself, try writing or learning a craft or art.

Incidentally, Megan McArdle makes this interesting observation about school uniforms in Viet Nam:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/11/tradition_for_thee_but_not_for.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/11/tradition_for_thee_but_not_for.php&lt;/a&gt;

I think she&#039;s right about men in the traditional dress of their native elite: in an airport in Hawaii, I once saw a man (maori? He didn&#039;t look Hawaiian, but he did look pacific islander) in very formal looking native wear consisting of a sari-like &quot;skirt&quot; and interesting combo that looked like a cross between a western suit and native religious wear. Between that and his bearing (40ish and fit, which is rare in the islands), the effect was impressive.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having gone to a Catholic school and a private school (with help, thanks to their endowment), I have been on both sides. The Catholic school required not just a uniform, but a very specific uniform supplied by one store. Just before I started at that school, the store burned down. I can&#8217;t remember if we bought something or if Mom made something &#8220;close enough&#8221;, but it was always obvious that my uniform was slightly off color from everyone else. But there was very little teasing &#8212; what were they going to say, they were wearing a freakin&#8217; uniform!</p>
<p>The private school ditched the blazers before I started there, but they still had a dress code: no shorts, no &#8220;dungarees&#8221; (jeans), no t-shirts, belts must be worn with pants with loops, etc. So we weren&#8217;t traditional prep, but we weren&#8217;t a bunch of slobs, either. Every day was a fashion show in which I couldn&#8217;t compete, and it caused a lot of anxiety on my part, and probably exasperation on Mom&#8217;s (&#8221;What&#8217;s wrong with these?&#8221; &#8220;Mom, this is K-Mart!&#8221; &#8220;So?&#8221;).</p>
<p>When they started proposing uniforms in the mid-schools here, I found myself ambivalent. On the one hand, I&#8217;m not sure we need any more regimentation than they are already trying to induce. On the other hand, it levels the playing field a great deal and directs more attention to schooling than to the fashion show. Yeah, you can still differentiate on the basis of accessories, but snappy ties and earrings are a $15-20 highlight instead of a $150-200, Nike- and Izod- or Tommy-fueled arms race. It&#8217;s subtle rather than overt, and therefore not as likely to result in beatings and drive-bys over Air Jordans.</p>
<p>The thing that really drove me in that direction was the parent-supported argument by one girl in front of the school board: &#8220;My clothes are how I express myself.&#8221; I&#8217;m sorry, but you aren&#8217;t expressing yourself with your Marilyn Manson t-shirt so much as you are expressing your affinity with your clique. Today, they are literally using branding and ear-tagging to identify their herd. If you want to express yourself, try writing or learning a craft or art.</p>
<p>Incidentally, Megan McArdle makes this interesting observation about school uniforms in Viet Nam:</p>
<p><a href="http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/11/tradition_for_thee_but_not_for.php" rel="nofollow">http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/11/tradition_for_thee_but_not_for.php</a></p>
<p>I think she&#8217;s right about men in the traditional dress of their native elite: in an airport in Hawaii, I once saw a man (maori? He didn&#8217;t look Hawaiian, but he did look pacific islander) in very formal looking native wear consisting of a sari-like &#8220;skirt&#8221; and interesting combo that looked like a cross between a western suit and native religious wear. Between that and his bearing (40ish and fit, which is rare in the islands), the effect was impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: Mimi</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/fashion_bullies/comment-page-1/#comment-8887</link>
		<dc:creator>Mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is a really lat epost, but I MUST say it... My daughter and I sew many of her things, and she is really cultivating an interest in ART!  Clothing as a canvas and a means of personal expression may be the answer... We have to change what it stands for.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a really lat epost, but I MUST say it&#8230; My daughter and I sew many of her things, and she is really cultivating an interest in ART!  Clothing as a canvas and a means of personal expression may be the answer&#8230; We have to change what it stands for.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesley</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/fashion_bullies/comment-page-1/#comment-8886</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was bullied all through elementary school and middle school, some in high school. The clothes are just a part of it. The only &quot;designer&quot; item I ever owned was a pair of Gloria Vanderbilt jeans which, frankly, didn&#039;t fit really well. I was also shy and not wealthy, and not ever in the key demographic for one reason or another. Saddle oxfords were &quot;in&quot; two years AFTER I begged my mom to stop making me wear them. In retrospect, though, I fear more for the character of the kids who ARE the bullies than those who are subjected to them for we as parents are allowing tyrants to be unleashed onto our society. As for the bullying, &quot;That which doesn&#039;t kill you makes you stronger&quot; seems to have been true for me.

Apart from having their chains yanked, kids need a little humility, hence my argument for requiring all High School students (maybe even starting earlier in middle school) to spend 3 weeks in a 3rd world country in order to graduate.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was bullied all through elementary school and middle school, some in high school. The clothes are just a part of it. The only &#8220;designer&#8221; item I ever owned was a pair of Gloria Vanderbilt jeans which, frankly, didn&#8217;t fit really well. I was also shy and not wealthy, and not ever in the key demographic for one reason or another. Saddle oxfords were &#8220;in&#8221; two years AFTER I begged my mom to stop making me wear them. In retrospect, though, I fear more for the character of the kids who ARE the bullies than those who are subjected to them for we as parents are allowing tyrants to be unleashed onto our society. As for the bullying, &#8220;That which doesn&#8217;t kill you makes you stronger&#8221; seems to have been true for me.</p>
<p>Apart from having their chains yanked, kids need a little humility, hence my argument for requiring all High School students (maybe even starting earlier in middle school) to spend 3 weeks in a 3rd world country in order to graduate.</p>
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		<title>By: Oxanna</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/fashion_bullies/comment-page-1/#comment-8885</link>
		<dc:creator>Oxanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And why do we consider it a good idea to stuff every child into school for 6-8 hours, mixing only with their own peer group?  I wonder.  I&#039;m not terribly in favor of uniforms, although they can have their place.  They seem to be treating the symptoms rather than the source of the problems.

Frankly, the cattiness that is associated with fashion bugs me.  The art and science of design I can appreciate.  Knocking down your fellow woman because she isn&#039;t Right This Moment Molly or Creative Combinations Cathy, however, is silly.  However, it&#039;s been going on for centuries, as one can tell by reading Louisa May Alcott.

I don&#039;t know what the industry can do, but personally, we can try to be respectful to others despite their lack of &quot;fashion&quot; or brand name clothing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why do we consider it a good idea to stuff every child into school for 6-8 hours, mixing only with their own peer group?  I wonder.  I&#8217;m not terribly in favor of uniforms, although they can have their place.  They seem to be treating the symptoms rather than the source of the problems.</p>
<p>Frankly, the cattiness that is associated with fashion bugs me.  The art and science of design I can appreciate.  Knocking down your fellow woman because she isn&#8217;t Right This Moment Molly or Creative Combinations Cathy, however, is silly.  However, it&#8217;s been going on for centuries, as one can tell by reading Louisa May Alcott.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what the industry can do, but personally, we can try to be respectful to others despite their lack of &#8220;fashion&#8221; or brand name clothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was part of a group discussion at teaching college, where we discussed the issue of uniforms.  One young man was fervently opposed to the concept on the grounds that uniforms eroded one&#039;s sense of personal identity.  It was quite ironic - he was dressed head to toe in the uniform of a young surfer, logo cap, logo tee, logo shorts and logo sneakers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was part of a group discussion at teaching college, where we discussed the issue of uniforms.  One young man was fervently opposed to the concept on the grounds that uniforms eroded one&#8217;s sense of personal identity.  It was quite ironic &#8211; he was dressed head to toe in the uniform of a young surfer, logo cap, logo tee, logo shorts and logo sneakers.</p>
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		<title>By: sfriedberg</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/fashion_bullies/comment-page-1/#comment-8883</link>
		<dc:creator>sfriedberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a bit of an extreme experience with school uniforms.  I went to a military boarding school for 8th grade and high-school.  The uniforms were &lt;i&gt;completely&lt;/i&gt; uniform, from a single vendor, down to socks and shoes.  Accessorizing of any form was either prohibited or spelled out in agonizing detail (i.e., if you have three different award ribbons to wear on a dress tunic, in which order must they be displayed).  Wristwatches might have been one exception.  I think underwear was the only article of clothing not spelled out by the dress code.

Despite that, there was a large degree of hazing and bullying, driven substantially by the &quot;haves&quot; from wealthy families from Detroit and Chicago, their desire to dominate younger or weaker students, and their contempt for students from &quot;poor&quot; local farm families.  I attribute this more to the &quot;boarding school&quot; aspect than the &quot;military school&quot; aspect.  If anything, the military aspect served to dampen the worst abuses.

So, in my experience, adolescent bullying is a social phenomenon that is best defeated by adult supervision and copious examples of civilized behavior (especially at home), and regrettably encouraged by social displays of prejudice and contempt either in the home or in society at large.

We are surrounded by feverish political and sports partisanship, skillfully promoted commercial brand loyalties, religious intolerance, racial and cultural prejudice.  This environment is training our young people to make immediate, exclusive social discriminations.  It continually reinforces the message that only stupid, ugly, repulsive, defective losers belong to the &quot;wrong group&quot;, and therefore they deserve derision, contempt, or at best pity.  How could adolescent bullying &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; arise in such a culture?

There are anthropological reasons to believe some degree of such behavior is inherent in human nature.  But culture certainly plays a large part in how much takes place.

To steer my comment back toward apparel, I think the small DE has limited leverage on this issue.  Larger manufacturers, specifically their marketing and advertising policies, might have a notable impact.  But it would require sporting goods makers (to take an example) to stop associating their brand with winning 1st place or winning at all cost.  Instead, less stratifying messages like quality, performance (absolute rather than relative), and appearance could be communicated.  Makers of &quot;designer&quot; clothing could similarly downplay the association between their brand and the social status implied by luxury items.  However, this would mean abandoning the most effective and consistently reliable marketing strategy for personal goods of any sort  (see Dave&#039;s comment near the top of this thread), and I would not hold my breath waiting for such a change.

Returning to (non-military) school uniforms specifically, there is quite a bit of evidence that uniforms can be a positive factor in education and little to suggest a drawback. Obviously, they are neither necessary nor sufficient to good education.  They can serve to give a student body a common identity, reduce the conflicts between different social groups, and remind students of the whole point of hanging about the school grounds.  For troubled school systems, the very act of making a change (such as imposing a school uniform) may have a positive psychological effect all out of proportion to the change itself.  This is known as the Hawthorne effect in industrial psychology.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a bit of an extreme experience with school uniforms.  I went to a military boarding school for 8th grade and high-school.  The uniforms were <i>completely</i> uniform, from a single vendor, down to socks and shoes.  Accessorizing of any form was either prohibited or spelled out in agonizing detail (i.e., if you have three different award ribbons to wear on a dress tunic, in which order must they be displayed).  Wristwatches might have been one exception.  I think underwear was the only article of clothing not spelled out by the dress code.</p>
<p>Despite that, there was a large degree of hazing and bullying, driven substantially by the &#8220;haves&#8221; from wealthy families from Detroit and Chicago, their desire to dominate younger or weaker students, and their contempt for students from &#8220;poor&#8221; local farm families.  I attribute this more to the &#8220;boarding school&#8221; aspect than the &#8220;military school&#8221; aspect.  If anything, the military aspect served to dampen the worst abuses.</p>
<p>So, in my experience, adolescent bullying is a social phenomenon that is best defeated by adult supervision and copious examples of civilized behavior (especially at home), and regrettably encouraged by social displays of prejudice and contempt either in the home or in society at large.</p>
<p>We are surrounded by feverish political and sports partisanship, skillfully promoted commercial brand loyalties, religious intolerance, racial and cultural prejudice.  This environment is training our young people to make immediate, exclusive social discriminations.  It continually reinforces the message that only stupid, ugly, repulsive, defective losers belong to the &#8220;wrong group&#8221;, and therefore they deserve derision, contempt, or at best pity.  How could adolescent bullying <i>not</i> arise in such a culture?</p>
<p>There are anthropological reasons to believe some degree of such behavior is inherent in human nature.  But culture certainly plays a large part in how much takes place.</p>
<p>To steer my comment back toward apparel, I think the small DE has limited leverage on this issue.  Larger manufacturers, specifically their marketing and advertising policies, might have a notable impact.  But it would require sporting goods makers (to take an example) to stop associating their brand with winning 1st place or winning at all cost.  Instead, less stratifying messages like quality, performance (absolute rather than relative), and appearance could be communicated.  Makers of &#8220;designer&#8221; clothing could similarly downplay the association between their brand and the social status implied by luxury items.  However, this would mean abandoning the most effective and consistently reliable marketing strategy for personal goods of any sort  (see Dave&#8217;s comment near the top of this thread), and I would not hold my breath waiting for such a change.</p>
<p>Returning to (non-military) school uniforms specifically, there is quite a bit of evidence that uniforms can be a positive factor in education and little to suggest a drawback. Obviously, they are neither necessary nor sufficient to good education.  They can serve to give a student body a common identity, reduce the conflicts between different social groups, and remind students of the whole point of hanging about the school grounds.  For troubled school systems, the very act of making a change (such as imposing a school uniform) may have a positive psychological effect all out of proportion to the change itself.  This is known as the Hawthorne effect in industrial psychology.</p>
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