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		<title>By: Robert Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nearly two years gone form this post, but I thought I&#039;d add a a reply. Model Mayhem does allow Clothing Designers to become members now. Previously you had to list yourself as a &quot;Wardrobe Stylist&quot;, but I should remind all of you designers, that that is what you virtually are, AND you should be styling your own shoots anyway. What&#039;s the point of being a designer if you don&#039;t consider the whole look and lifestyle when designing. After all you are designing for a specific type of customer, right?
As for MM, I&#039;ve had very good luck with models and photographers. I&#039;ve also been scouted by magazines there as well. I will admit that you do have to wade through the masses and deal with &quot;no-shows&quot; and pretentious photographers. Here are a few of my own suggestions.

a. Post a model call instead of emailing individual models. 
b. Confirm more that 3 models for the day of the shoot (you will have no-shows, and 1 is better than none, and if 3 or more arrive, then you have group shots!)
c. Make sure you state in your call that it&#039;s TFCD (Trade For CD of images), unless you&#039;re wiling to pay. You will also need to state that the model will need to sign a release for commercial use.
---A lot of models are signed with agencies, but they like to do &quot;test&quot; shoots to add to their portfolio. In these cases, be sure to ask them if you can use their image for commercial use. Both you and the model can get in trouble if it&#039;s NOT OK.
---New models can be fine, but you&#039;ll need to work with them. And you might actually get work with someone &quot;up and coming&quot;.
d. Contact a few photographers and ask if they&#039;re looking to update their portfolios (you might want to do this first). A lot of photographers like to do &quot;test&quot; shoots with models they would like to work with. Tell them what your product is, what you need and the &quot;theme&quot; you&#039;re creating and if you have a location. Some photographers just like to shoot regularly, but already have their own ideas and themes. If your product fits into it, they&#039;ll let you know; let them run with it. You could get some amazing product shots out of it, with only having to add their copyright to the image (it&#039;s really not a big deal), just clarify where that will go on the image before hand.
e. Take a photography course at a local community college ($20 a unit), most have night courses. If you can shoot your own stuff, that eliminates a huge part of the equation. Also, knowing what your photographer is shooting, and knowing whether or not they&#039;re shooting what you need is important. (I know some designers have paid big $$$ to photographers, didn&#039;t know anything about photography and got absolutely nothing.) Whether you&#039;re paying the photographer or not, as a designer you need to be able to step in and say something if you don&#039;t think your getting commercial shots. A lot of photographer don&#039;t like designers to be at the shoots for this reason, that&#039;s why I mentioned before that the designer should always be the stylist as well.

There&#039;s so much more advices I could give, but I&#039;m getting typers cramp! Maybe I got lucky, but I&#039;ve been doing pro shoots for the last 2 years for my swimwear and haven&#039;t paid for models or photographers or MUA and hair. Yes, I do buy everyone lunch and sometimes pay for gas if the location is far. Compared to $10,000 it&#039;s a steal. What&#039;s great about TFCD shoots is that everyone is getting something that will better their business or portfolio.

DESIGNERS REMEMBER THAT THIS IS YOUR PRODUCT!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nearly two years gone form this post, but I thought I&#8217;d add a a reply. Model Mayhem does allow Clothing Designers to become members now. Previously you had to list yourself as a &#8220;Wardrobe Stylist&#8221;, but I should remind all of you designers, that that is what you virtually are, AND you should be styling your own shoots anyway. What&#8217;s the point of being a designer if you don&#8217;t consider the whole look and lifestyle when designing. After all you are designing for a specific type of customer, right?<br />
As for MM, I&#8217;ve had very good luck with models and photographers. I&#8217;ve also been scouted by magazines there as well. I will admit that you do have to wade through the masses and deal with &#8220;no-shows&#8221; and pretentious photographers. Here are a few of my own suggestions.</p>
<p>a. Post a model call instead of emailing individual models.<br />
b. Confirm more that 3 models for the day of the shoot (you will have no-shows, and 1 is better than none, and if 3 or more arrive, then you have group shots!)<br />
c. Make sure you state in your call that it&#8217;s TFCD (Trade For CD of images), unless you&#8217;re wiling to pay. You will also need to state that the model will need to sign a release for commercial use.<br />
&#8212;A lot of models are signed with agencies, but they like to do &#8220;test&#8221; shoots to add to their portfolio. In these cases, be sure to ask them if you can use their image for commercial use. Both you and the model can get in trouble if it&#8217;s NOT OK.<br />
&#8212;New models can be fine, but you&#8217;ll need to work with them. And you might actually get work with someone &#8220;up and coming&#8221;.<br />
d. Contact a few photographers and ask if they&#8217;re looking to update their portfolios (you might want to do this first). A lot of photographers like to do &#8220;test&#8221; shoots with models they would like to work with. Tell them what your product is, what you need and the &#8220;theme&#8221; you&#8217;re creating and if you have a location. Some photographers just like to shoot regularly, but already have their own ideas and themes. If your product fits into it, they&#8217;ll let you know; let them run with it. You could get some amazing product shots out of it, with only having to add their copyright to the image (it&#8217;s really not a big deal), just clarify where that will go on the image before hand.<br />
e. Take a photography course at a local community college ($20 a unit), most have night courses. If you can shoot your own stuff, that eliminates a huge part of the equation. Also, knowing what your photographer is shooting, and knowing whether or not they&#8217;re shooting what you need is important. (I know some designers have paid big $$$ to photographers, didn&#8217;t know anything about photography and got absolutely nothing.) Whether you&#8217;re paying the photographer or not, as a designer you need to be able to step in and say something if you don&#8217;t think your getting commercial shots. A lot of photographer don&#8217;t like designers to be at the shoots for this reason, that&#8217;s why I mentioned before that the designer should always be the stylist as well.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s so much more advices I could give, but I&#8217;m getting typers cramp! Maybe I got lucky, but I&#8217;ve been doing pro shoots for the last 2 years for my swimwear and haven&#8217;t paid for models or photographers or MUA and hair. Yes, I do buy everyone lunch and sometimes pay for gas if the location is far. Compared to $10,000 it&#8217;s a steal. What&#8217;s great about TFCD shoots is that everyone is getting something that will better their business or portfolio.</p>
<p>DESIGNERS REMEMBER THAT THIS IS YOUR PRODUCT!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/good_photographs_sell_products/comment-page-1/#comment-5627</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just recently started updating the pictures on my business website using a professional photographer.  This was actually someone who bought one of my dresses and then approached me about taking pictures for me.

Since we are both just starting out in our business ventures (and hoping to make it big!) we decided to do business for trade.  So she (www.niftyimages.com) has started by taking pictures of 6 of my dresses and I made her a dress for her little girl.  Then she took pictures of 6 of my hats, and I made her a hat for her little girl.

It has been working out great for both of us.  I am getting great picutres of my line.  And Rachel is getting the experience, promotion, and custom handmade items for her one year old.  Look at the results on my website: www.katiejean.net.  I think it&#039;s been a huge improvement.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just recently started updating the pictures on my business website using a professional photographer.  This was actually someone who bought one of my dresses and then approached me about taking pictures for me.</p>
<p>Since we are both just starting out in our business ventures (and hoping to make it big!) we decided to do business for trade.  So she (www.niftyimages.com) has started by taking pictures of 6 of my dresses and I made her a dress for her little girl.  Then she took pictures of 6 of my hats, and I made her a hat for her little girl.</p>
<p>It has been working out great for both of us.  I am getting great picutres of my line.  And Rachel is getting the experience, promotion, and custom handmade items for her one year old.  Look at the results on my website: <a href="http://www.katiejean.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.katiejean.net</a>.  I think it&#8217;s been a huge improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/good_photographs_sell_products/comment-page-1/#comment-5626</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 08:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finding a good photographer has been my biggest problem. All the limitations are boggus as well. When the photographer washes all the color out and then tells me I can&#039;t edit her work, I say it&#039;s not worth a dime. I too decided that I would become my own photographer. It&#039;s been a learning curve for me, but it&#039;s better than paying someone a huge sum for pictures I can&#039;t use. Because I know nothing about lighting, I do my photo sessions outdoors, which means I can&#039;t do pictures in the winter.  PLEASE give details on how to set up a small studio with the proper lights. Thanks!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finding a good photographer has been my biggest problem. All the limitations are boggus as well. When the photographer washes all the color out and then tells me I can&#8217;t edit her work, I say it&#8217;s not worth a dime. I too decided that I would become my own photographer. It&#8217;s been a learning curve for me, but it&#8217;s better than paying someone a huge sum for pictures I can&#8217;t use. Because I know nothing about lighting, I do my photo sessions outdoors, which means I can&#8217;t do pictures in the winter.  PLEASE give details on how to set up a small studio with the proper lights. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Vesta</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/good_photographs_sell_products/comment-page-1/#comment-5625</link>
		<dc:creator>Vesta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Darien said, we&#039;ve also found photos make a world of difference, and the model needs some experience with baby carriers to look right. I can always tell a professional or non-babywearing model when the model looks like the baby is velcroed to their body.

We&#039;ve found a way to remedy this a bit. When we do our model cattle calls, we send them home with a carrier to play with, and ask that they put some time in using it. Our other challenge is working with babies. That&#039;s the hardest part. When the baby won&#039;t cooperate, you&#039;re screwed. And you&#039;re there with stylists, photographers, etc just passing time on the clock. We schedule multiple babies in a day, with overlapping shifts. It&#039;s still challenging.

As for learning to do it myself, there&#039;s no way. As if I don&#039;t have enough to do, even with two employees. I was cursing Darien just two days ago for having a professional photographer on staff. At which point I turned and berated my own staff for not being professional photographers ON TOP OF what they already do for me. Kidding. Sort of. They&#039;re used to me and I pay them well :-P
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Darien said, we&#8217;ve also found photos make a world of difference, and the model needs some experience with baby carriers to look right. I can always tell a professional or non-babywearing model when the model looks like the baby is velcroed to their body.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve found a way to remedy this a bit. When we do our model cattle calls, we send them home with a carrier to play with, and ask that they put some time in using it. Our other challenge is working with babies. That&#8217;s the hardest part. When the baby won&#8217;t cooperate, you&#8217;re screwed. And you&#8217;re there with stylists, photographers, etc just passing time on the clock. We schedule multiple babies in a day, with overlapping shifts. It&#8217;s still challenging.</p>
<p>As for learning to do it myself, there&#8217;s no way. As if I don&#8217;t have enough to do, even with two employees. I was cursing Darien just two days ago for having a professional photographer on staff. At which point I turned and berated my own staff for not being professional photographers ON TOP OF what they already do for me. Kidding. Sort of. They&#8217;re used to me and I pay them well <img src='http://www.fashion-incubator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/good_photographs_sell_products/comment-page-1/#comment-5624</link>
		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 05:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how bizarre that this was exactly what i&#039;ve been in the process of researching.  i&#039;ve been really lucky to have a close friend who is also a professional photographer who has done all the pics for my site- but i&#039;m now trying to set up an online shop for one of a kind stuff where (hopefully) it will be more of a &quot;make-it, post-it, sell-it&quot; kind of online deal for my one of a kind stuff as opposed to getting my friend to do a couple big shoots a year for market lines.  sadly, my dad was a professional photographer my whole life who i did learn alot from but who has been plauged by health issues that have lead to his not remembering much about photography these days! anyway, i&#039;m trying to set up an in house mini studio.  so this is so great! thank you!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how bizarre that this was exactly what i&#8217;ve been in the process of researching.  i&#8217;ve been really lucky to have a close friend who is also a professional photographer who has done all the pics for my site- but i&#8217;m now trying to set up an online shop for one of a kind stuff where (hopefully) it will be more of a &#8220;make-it, post-it, sell-it&#8221; kind of online deal for my one of a kind stuff as opposed to getting my friend to do a couple big shoots a year for market lines.  sadly, my dad was a professional photographer my whole life who i did learn alot from but who has been plauged by health issues that have lead to his not remembering much about photography these days! anyway, i&#8217;m trying to set up an in house mini studio.  so this is so great! thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike C</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/good_photographs_sell_products/comment-page-1/#comment-5623</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Mike, I know you don&#039;t want specific questions about technical stuff-but an article about your studio set up would be exciting! I am especially curious about lighting that doesn&#039;t cost a fortune. Are you still borrowing your lights or did you invest in a set of studio lights?
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Technically, we&#039;re still borrowing the lights.  But, their owner has upgraded his setup and so now they are sort of on permanent loan.

The camera is a Canon Digital Rebel SLR.  The &quot;studio&quot; is made from foam core - the kind you can buy at your local art supply store.

I&#039;ll see if I can&#039;t take an inventory and maybe a few pictures of our setup and do a followup entry next week.


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Mike, I know you don&#8217;t want specific questions about technical stuff-but an article about your studio set up would be exciting! I am especially curious about lighting that doesn&#8217;t cost a fortune. Are you still borrowing your lights or did you invest in a set of studio lights?
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<p>Technically, we&#8217;re still borrowing the lights.  But, their owner has upgraded his setup and so now they are sort of on permanent loan.</p>
<p>The camera is a Canon Digital Rebel SLR.  The &#8220;studio&#8221; is made from foam core &#8211; the kind you can buy at your local art supply store.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll see if I can&#8217;t take an inventory and maybe a few pictures of our setup and do a followup entry next week.</p>
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		<title>By: carly jayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>carly jayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I know you don&#039;t want specific questions about technical stuff-but an article about your studio set up would be exciting!  I am especially curious about lighting that doesn&#039;t cost a fortune.  Are you still borrowing your lights or did you invest in a set of studio lights?

Miachelle-for shooting photos of your jewelry try contacting someone who shoots slides for artists.  They should have the equiment and knowledge of shooting small sculptures and fine art jewelry and will run you about 10-15 dollars per piece to photograph.  Folks who document artwork for artists have no rights to the image so you don&#039;t need to pay for copyright things-at least not in my experience.  You won&#039;t get any fancy shallow depth of field trendy photos-but you should have clear photos the professionally display your product.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I know you don&#8217;t want specific questions about technical stuff-but an article about your studio set up would be exciting!  I am especially curious about lighting that doesn&#8217;t cost a fortune.  Are you still borrowing your lights or did you invest in a set of studio lights?</p>
<p>Miachelle-for shooting photos of your jewelry try contacting someone who shoots slides for artists.  They should have the equiment and knowledge of shooting small sculptures and fine art jewelry and will run you about 10-15 dollars per piece to photograph.  Folks who document artwork for artists have no rights to the image so you don&#8217;t need to pay for copyright things-at least not in my experience.  You won&#8217;t get any fancy shallow depth of field trendy photos-but you should have clear photos the professionally display your product.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a swimwear designer, and only really sell twice a year (hope to increase this), but with the photos I have figured out how to use PhotoShop, a good digital camera, a tripod, - and the crazy part I shoot myself in my own swimwear.
I had a really hard time finding a model, and I needed to have the photos done, and no one was around to take them - So, I just went for it! Check out the results on my site www.atswim.net. I guess we really do what we have to do!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a swimwear designer, and only really sell twice a year (hope to increase this), but with the photos I have figured out how to use PhotoShop, a good digital camera, a tripod, &#8211; and the crazy part I shoot myself in my own swimwear.<br />
I had a really hard time finding a model, and I needed to have the photos done, and no one was around to take them &#8211; So, I just went for it! Check out the results on my site <a href="http://www.atswim.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.atswim.net</a>. I guess we really do what we have to do!!</p>
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		<title>By: Miracle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 01:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We should also have Miracle weigh in on this. She mentions that she&#039;s had products photographed *at market*, and that the set up is a good deal for retailers like her.&lt;/i&gt;

I haven&#039;t had products photographed at market for selling use, although showrooms let me take digital camera pictures of items for later reference.

But what I am doing is going after market and borrowing the samples for a few hours while I run them down to the photo studio that&#039;s in the Mart so that I can have the photos long before I get the actual inventory. This really works best if you&#039;re shooting on mannequins, otherwise you can have a tricky time coordinating all of that with the model&#039;s time.

Usually right after market, they have all their samples, few appointments, and they haven&#039;t hit the road yet. If you go before market, they may not have all of the samples as some samples literally arrive at the last minute.

&lt;i&gt;if you cannot afford good photos- you cannot afford a business&lt;/i&gt;

It depends on what you&#039;re selling and who you&#039;re selling to. For a DE selling 5 collections a year to retailers, expensive photography may be an unnecessary expense.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We should also have Miracle weigh in on this. She mentions that she&#8217;s had products photographed *at market*, and that the set up is a good deal for retailers like her.</i></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t had products photographed at market for selling use, although showrooms let me take digital camera pictures of items for later reference.</p>
<p>But what I am doing is going after market and borrowing the samples for a few hours while I run them down to the photo studio that&#8217;s in the Mart so that I can have the photos long before I get the actual inventory. This really works best if you&#8217;re shooting on mannequins, otherwise you can have a tricky time coordinating all of that with the model&#8217;s time.</p>
<p>Usually right after market, they have all their samples, few appointments, and they haven&#8217;t hit the road yet. If you go before market, they may not have all of the samples as some samples literally arrive at the last minute.</p>
<p><i>if you cannot afford good photos- you cannot afford a business</i></p>
<p>It depends on what you&#8217;re selling and who you&#8217;re selling to. For a DE selling 5 collections a year to retailers, expensive photography may be an unnecessary expense.</p>
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		<title>By: jme</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 01:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>working as a stylist part time, and also as a designer myself, i am fortunate to have some talented people to work with...but i really feel if you cannot afford good photos- you cannot afford a business, especially online. you should be able to spend $500-1K min for a days worth of photography work for a GOOD photographer...the main point being they have the proper equipment and lighting capabilities (anyone can snap a shutter)...and even agency models do tfp (trade for prints) through those sites listed above- you just have to dig a bit through the 5&#039;1&quot; dreamers...you just have to bite the bullet and KNOW that good photos will produce sales. so then, how can you afford NOT to have great pics? you can sell CRAP with good photos...certainly somethign great will even better with hot pics. people spend way more money on wedding photos without batting an eye- why is advertising/ business photos any different? too many people just don&#039;t understand that- and i suppose such is the difference between good and great businesses and the people who run them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>working as a stylist part time, and also as a designer myself, i am fortunate to have some talented people to work with&#8230;but i really feel if you cannot afford good photos- you cannot afford a business, especially online. you should be able to spend $500-1K min for a days worth of photography work for a GOOD photographer&#8230;the main point being they have the proper equipment and lighting capabilities (anyone can snap a shutter)&#8230;and even agency models do tfp (trade for prints) through those sites listed above- you just have to dig a bit through the 5&#8242;1&#8243; dreamers&#8230;you just have to bite the bullet and KNOW that good photos will produce sales. so then, how can you afford NOT to have great pics? you can sell CRAP with good photos&#8230;certainly somethign great will even better with hot pics. people spend way more money on wedding photos without batting an eye- why is advertising/ business photos any different? too many people just don&#8217;t understand that- and i suppose such is the difference between good and great businesses and the people who run them.</p>
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