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		<title>By: Jill Homiak</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/how_to_get_sizing_and_grading_standards/comment-page-1/#comment-24915</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Homiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That makes sense. Thanks for your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That makes sense. Thanks for your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Jill, it is potentially both.

There is no way to know if the grade or pattern is off without the pattern being closely scrutinized. That is a wholly separate issue tho from the matter of who the garment is designed to fit. Just as each designer determines the fit characteristics of their customer, there will certainly be a segment who does not fit that profile but who are attracted to the styling. It&#039;s up to each designer to figure out whether there are more of the people who want it but can&#039;t wear it or the reverse. Generally tho, one is better off dealing with the devil they do know than the one they don&#039;t. It&#039;s better to listen to people who are giving you money vs people who say they would. It is only when sales begin dropping off in your niche that you take a hard look at modifying fit to follow your customer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Jill, it is potentially both.</p>
<p>There is no way to know if the grade or pattern is off without the pattern being closely scrutinized. That is a wholly separate issue tho from the matter of who the garment is designed to fit. Just as each designer determines the fit characteristics of their customer, there will certainly be a segment who does not fit that profile but who are attracted to the styling. It&#8217;s up to each designer to figure out whether there are more of the people who want it but can&#8217;t wear it or the reverse. Generally tho, one is better off dealing with the devil they do know than the one they don&#8217;t. It&#8217;s better to listen to people who are giving you money vs people who say they would. It is only when sales begin dropping off in your niche that you take a hard look at modifying fit to follow your customer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Homiak</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/how_to_get_sizing_and_grading_standards/comment-page-1/#comment-24913</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Homiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we&#039;re on the topic of sizing, I&#039;m going to ask a related question here.  I posed the question to two wardrobe stylists: 

Do a lot of your clients find it hard to get shirts that fit their bust appropriately &amp; jackets or dresses that don&#039;t extenuate a large bust line?  One responded with, Yes; this is an ongoing issue for many women, even those that are not as large busted.

So I got to thinking, was that because the pattern/grading were off? Or was it only because that label wanted to have its clothes sized for smaller chested woman? Or both potentially? 

Would love your ideas! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we&#8217;re on the topic of sizing, I&#8217;m going to ask a related question here.  I posed the question to two wardrobe stylists: </p>
<p>Do a lot of your clients find it hard to get shirts that fit their bust appropriately &amp; jackets or dresses that don&#8217;t extenuate a large bust line?  One responded with, Yes; this is an ongoing issue for many women, even those that are not as large busted.</p>
<p>So I got to thinking, was that because the pattern/grading were off? Or was it only because that label wanted to have its clothes sized for smaller chested woman? Or both potentially? </p>
<p>Would love your ideas! <img src='http://www.fashion-incubator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sabine, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/on_reviewing_pattern_books/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this entry&lt;/a&gt;. The (scant) mention of this book is at close but will explain how I review pattern books and what I think are the important features of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sabine, see <a href="http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/on_reviewing_pattern_books/" rel="nofollow">this entry</a>. The (scant) mention of this book is at close but will explain how I review pattern books and what I think are the important features of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 05:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, so I went to that site where you can download table, and the one you suggested is taken off and will be revisited before being made available again. So far so good.

Then i clicked the link to Handforts book, which brought up http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1563673193/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1115167326&amp;sr=8-1&amp;condition=all 
Did you see the price? $999.98 plus shipping!

Anyways, i googled, and it is cheaper here:
http://www.allbookstores.com/author/Jack_Handford.html

What about his other books, are they good and useful too? I am thinking of the pattern making one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, so I went to that site where you can download table, and the one you suggested is taken off and will be revisited before being made available again. So far so good.</p>
<p>Then i clicked the link to Handforts book, which brought up <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1563673193/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1115167326&amp;sr=8-1&amp;condition=all" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1563673193/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1115167326&amp;sr=8-1&amp;condition=all</a><br />
Did you see the price? $999.98 plus shipping!</p>
<p>Anyways, i googled, and it is cheaper here:<br />
<a href="http://www.allbookstores.com/author/Jack_Handford.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.allbookstores.com/author/Jack_Handford.html</a></p>
<p>What about his other books, are they good and useful too? I am thinking of the pattern making one.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a proposal on the D-13 ASTM committee ballot to withdraw the D-5586 (2001) standard for body measurements for women aged 55+ with &lt;b&gt;no replacement&lt;/b&gt;. If passed, this study will not be included in Vol.2 D-13 as of November 2009. Since libraries that have the ASTM standards discard annual copies, you should get the standard now if you think there&#039;s the slightest chance you need it. It is &lt;i&gt;possible&lt;/i&gt; D-5586 may then enter public domain but I do not know this for certain (caveat lector).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a proposal on the D-13 ASTM committee ballot to withdraw the D-5586 (2001) standard for body measurements for women aged 55+ with <b>no replacement</b>. If passed, this study will not be included in Vol.2 D-13 as of November 2009. Since libraries that have the ASTM standards discard annual copies, you should get the standard now if you think there&#8217;s the slightest chance you need it. It is <i>possible</i> D-5586 may then enter public domain but I do not know this for certain (caveat lector).</p>
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		<title>By: Mei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kathleen!

I hope you still check your blog and find this question.
 Since you are a voting member at ASTM textile subcommittees, I think I might have just the right question for you.  My friend is currently doing a mini-research on the history of standardized body measurements in the United States.  She wants to find out exactly when was the first ASTM body measurement standards was published? 1950s, before the World Wars, or even earlier than that?  Where could she find informations like so? Thanks a lot in advance!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kathleen!</p>
<p>I hope you still check your blog and find this question.<br />
 Since you are a voting member at ASTM textile subcommittees, I think I might have just the right question for you.  My friend is currently doing a mini-research on the history of standardized body measurements in the United States.  She wants to find out exactly when was the first ASTM body measurement standards was published? 1950s, before the World Wars, or even earlier than that?  Where could she find informations like so? Thanks a lot in advance!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen,

I am trying to find Italian sizing standards.   Is there such a thing?  I am looking to grade a pattern for the first time, and I prefer European, specifically Italian, silhouettes.  I would really appreciate any help on this.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen,</p>
<p>I am trying to find Italian sizing standards.   Is there such a thing?  I am looking to grade a pattern for the first time, and I prefer European, specifically Italian, silhouettes.  I would really appreciate any help on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: ASTM D5586-01 Standard Tables of Body Measurements for Women Aged 55&#039;

OK - I bought the download of the standard; 20 pages.  For anyone who may be interested, there are  48 or more measurement points that are organized into 8 tables.   It definitely gives me something to compare to.
Cheryl K

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: ASTM D5586-01 Standard Tables of Body Measurements for Women Aged 55&#8242;</p>
<p>OK &#8211; I bought the download of the standard; 20 pages.  For anyone who may be interested, there are  48 or more measurement points that are organized into 8 tables.   It definitely gives me something to compare to.<br />
Cheryl K</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question for Kathleen or anyone that knows:
RE:  ASTM for D5586-01 &#039;Standard Tables of Body Measurements for Women Aged 55&#039; (Now costs $41)
How many more body measurements than Bust-waist-hip does it include? (I am interested in location of bust (shoulder to nipple (sorry - I&#039;m sure there is a discreet word for it) crotch curve etc., etc.
Need to know if I should spend my limited funds.  Thanks, from Cheryl K

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question for Kathleen or anyone that knows:<br />
RE:  ASTM for D5586-01 &#8216;Standard Tables of Body Measurements for Women Aged 55&#8242; (Now costs $41)<br />
How many more body measurements than Bust-waist-hip does it include? (I am interested in location of bust (shoulder to nipple (sorry &#8211; I&#8217;m sure there is a discreet word for it) crotch curve etc., etc.<br />
Need to know if I should spend my limited funds.  Thanks, from Cheryl K</p>
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