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		<title>By: rita penner</title>
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		<dc:creator>rita penner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m new to your blog but completely addicted already.  I&#039;ve been sewing my product for 7 years and very lonely for people similarly engaged.  I&#039;d like to comment on this lovely dress you draped.  I agree with you Kathleen that the amount of gathering is not balanced with what&#039;s going on in the front.  It should maybe peter out a bit from side to side.  I don&#039;t agree that there should be added vertical length.  It might make one look a bit hunchbacked and the gathers being pulled taught keeps it looking tidy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m new to your blog but completely addicted already.  I&#8217;ve been sewing my product for 7 years and very lonely for people similarly engaged.  I&#8217;d like to comment on this lovely dress you draped.  I agree with you Kathleen that the amount of gathering is not balanced with what&#8217;s going on in the front.  It should maybe peter out a bit from side to side.  I don&#8217;t agree that there should be added vertical length.  It might make one look a bit hunchbacked and the gathers being pulled taught keeps it looking tidy.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisa Benay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alisa Benay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are other people than me calling her a tart?  Then it must be true!

When draping the back skirt, could you have just draped a circle from the waist &amp; then cut out the yoke piece?  hmmm, you&#039;d have too much ease, though, b/c the circle would have already started to expand when you get to the edge of the yoke.  If I were doing it w/o having seen your cut out circle first, I would have draped the yoke piece, then started in the center back with straight of grain &amp; draped out from there, creating my flounces &amp; making little slashes to release stress (above the pins) as I went.  I could draw that better than write, though, so don&#039;t know if what I said makes sense.

As for the dress forms, then first one looks like a store mannequin to me, not a dress form.  I would vote for the 3rd one, but it didn&#039;t list a collapsible hip, which might me an issue.  My favorite dress forms, though are the Uniquely You.  They&#039;re made for the home sewing market, but if you&#039;re just looking for a dress form for yourself, you can adjust the cover to your exact measurements quite easily.  I&#039;ve got several in different sizes &amp; use them for my clients to get a close proximity to their shape by stuffing up the inside of each (easily removable) cover.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are other people than me calling her a tart?  Then it must be true!</p>
<p>When draping the back skirt, could you have just draped a circle from the waist &#038; then cut out the yoke piece?  hmmm, you&#8217;d have too much ease, though, b/c the circle would have already started to expand when you get to the edge of the yoke.  If I were doing it w/o having seen your cut out circle first, I would have draped the yoke piece, then started in the center back with straight of grain &#038; draped out from there, creating my flounces &#038; making little slashes to release stress (above the pins) as I went.  I could draw that better than write, though, so don&#8217;t know if what I said makes sense.</p>
<p>As for the dress forms, then first one looks like a store mannequin to me, not a dress form.  I would vote for the 3rd one, but it didn&#8217;t list a collapsible hip, which might me an issue.  My favorite dress forms, though are the Uniquely You.  They&#8217;re made for the home sewing market, but if you&#8217;re just looking for a dress form for yourself, you can adjust the cover to your exact measurements quite easily.  I&#8217;ve got several in different sizes &#038; use them for my clients to get a close proximity to their shape by stuffing up the inside of each (easily removable) cover.</p>
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		<title>By: /anne...</title>
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		<dc:creator>/anne...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penny: I had a look at your link; they don&#039;t ship to Australia (where I am, and the ebay vendor I&#039;m interested in). However, the second dressform I was looking at is identical to yours! Nice to know that one is good value for money.

I&#039;m still wondering about the first one; it&#039;s not like the conventional dress form.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny: I had a look at your link; they don&#8217;t ship to Australia (where I am, and the ebay vendor I&#8217;m interested in). However, the second dressform I was looking at is identical to yours! Nice to know that one is good value for money.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still wondering about the first one; it&#8217;s not like the conventional dress form.</p>
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		<title>By: Timo Rissanen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timo Rissanen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is it cheating to have cut a wedge out of the goods before I hung it?&quot;
If it makes life easier, hell no! When I was taught drape (over ten years ago now), we always did quite a bit of drafting directly on to the calico before taking it to the dress form. I still do when I drape, and with circles in particular, trying to get it all perfect through drape alone sounds like some sort of Guantanamo Bay procedure.

I&#039;m sure many would disagree but I find drape most useful in creating new shapes and forgetting about the block for a moment, but I generally always end up drafting the details after I&#039;ve &#039;boarded&#039; the shell. Each to his/her own, I guess. But I did cry on the inside that one time a student draped a jacket lining...

Thanks, as always, for sharing. My fave bit:
&quot;Squish goods together and pin. Roll edges and pin. Drop pins. Pick them up. Stab self. Drop more pins, let them lie there (then I can look forward to having pins stuck halfway into my foot). Stab self with pins again, there was a lot of that.&quot;

If you ever write a drape manual in this manner - and perhaps someone should - I&#039;ll be first in line to buy it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is it cheating to have cut a wedge out of the goods before I hung it?&#8221;<br />
If it makes life easier, hell no! When I was taught drape (over ten years ago now), we always did quite a bit of drafting directly on to the calico before taking it to the dress form. I still do when I drape, and with circles in particular, trying to get it all perfect through drape alone sounds like some sort of Guantanamo Bay procedure.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure many would disagree but I find drape most useful in creating new shapes and forgetting about the block for a moment, but I generally always end up drafting the details after I&#8217;ve &#8216;boarded&#8217; the shell. Each to his/her own, I guess. But I did cry on the inside that one time a student draped a jacket lining&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks, as always, for sharing. My fave bit:<br />
&#8220;Squish goods together and pin. Roll edges and pin. Drop pins. Pick them up. Stab self. Drop more pins, let them lie there (then I can look forward to having pins stuck halfway into my foot). Stab self with pins again, there was a lot of that.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you ever write a drape manual in this manner &#8211; and perhaps someone should &#8211; I&#8217;ll be first in line to buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work Kathleen. you can still drape. Aside from the jabs, it looks like it was a fun draping project for you.  I use the fine/sharp glass head pins from WH Collins. It&#039;s weird how you become addicted to certain tools after years of using products that don&#039;t work, but these pins are long, easy to grasp and very strong for how fine they are. They work. The magnetic pin holders are good also. They keep the pins from shifting around so they&#039;re easier to pick up quickly and they never spill.  You just get better results from draping on some styles...like period pieces from the 1930s or anything on the bias.

Julia : The Studio One brand dress forms available on Ebay are good quality and reasonably priced. There are a number of sites that carry this brand, but the dressformmall site has the &quot;make an offer&quot; option for pricing:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;rd=1&amp;item=320134197711&amp;ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&amp;ih=011&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;rd=1&amp;item=320134197711&amp;ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&amp;ih=011&lt;/a&gt;

I was surprised they accepted my rather low offer, so this is definately a plus.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work Kathleen. you can still drape. Aside from the jabs, it looks like it was a fun draping project for you.  I use the fine/sharp glass head pins from WH Collins. It&#8217;s weird how you become addicted to certain tools after years of using products that don&#8217;t work, but these pins are long, easy to grasp and very strong for how fine they are. They work. The magnetic pin holders are good also. They keep the pins from shifting around so they&#8217;re easier to pick up quickly and they never spill.  You just get better results from draping on some styles&#8230;like period pieces from the 1930s or anything on the bias.</p>
<p>Julia : The Studio One brand dress forms available on Ebay are good quality and reasonably priced. There are a number of sites that carry this brand, but the dressformmall site has the &#8220;make an offer&#8221; option for pricing:</p>
<p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&#038;rd=1&#038;item=320134197711&#038;ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&#038;ih=011" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&#038;rd=1&#038;item=320134197711&#038;ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&#038;ih=011</a></p>
<p>I was surprised they accepted my rather low offer, so this is definately a plus.</p>
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		<title>By: /anne...</title>
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		<dc:creator>/anne...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Alison - anything to break up the Vast Expanse! DD does it (she&#039;s a 12DD, and not by choice) by, she says, copying the old ladies she looks after in a high-care nursing home - always wear a singlet/tank. Over the top of that she wears typical teenager low-cut tops, which would look tarty on her without the fill-in of the layer beneath.

I want a dress form, but I can&#039;t afford (or justify) Kathleen&#039;s gorgeous one.  I live about a half-hour drive from an Ebay dealer, so I can probably go and have a look/measure them (I&#039;ll have to pad it up a bit, but I want some of it to fit my measurements). Does anyone have any opinions on either:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Female-Mannequin-Dress-Form-WHITE-F01Sarm-Metal-Base_W0QQitemZ150205858934QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4836QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Female-Mannequin-Dress-Form-WHITE-F01Sarm-Metal-Base_W0QQitemZ150205858934QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4836QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem&lt;/a&gt;

or:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Professional-dress-form-Mannequin-New-Size10-12-w-Hip_W0QQitemZ130190516265QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4836QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Professional-dress-form-Mannequin-New-Size10-12-w-Hip_W0QQitemZ130190516265QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4836QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem&lt;/a&gt;

This one is more expensive, but it looks a little like Kathleen&#039;s:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Professional-dress-form-mannequin-Full-Size-10-12-Legs_W0QQitemZ130187712508QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4836QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Professional-dress-form-mannequin-Full-Size-10-12-Legs_W0QQitemZ130187712508QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4836QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem&lt;/a&gt;

but I&#039;m not sure I want a body hanging in my house. Not only is it a little creepy, but imagine what the neighbours would say!

OTOH, DD the paramedic student wants a skeleton :-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Alison &#8211; anything to break up the Vast Expanse! DD does it (she&#8217;s a 12DD, and not by choice) by, she says, copying the old ladies she looks after in a high-care nursing home &#8211; always wear a singlet/tank. Over the top of that she wears typical teenager low-cut tops, which would look tarty on her without the fill-in of the layer beneath.</p>
<p>I want a dress form, but I can&#8217;t afford (or justify) Kathleen&#8217;s gorgeous one.  I live about a half-hour drive from an Ebay dealer, so I can probably go and have a look/measure them (I&#8217;ll have to pad it up a bit, but I want some of it to fit my measurements). Does anyone have any opinions on either:</p>
<p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Female-Mannequin-Dress-Form-WHITE-F01Sarm-Metal-Base_W0QQitemZ150205858934QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4836QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Female-Mannequin-Dress-Form-WHITE-F01Sarm-Metal-Base_W0QQitemZ150205858934QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4836QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem</a></p>
<p>or:</p>
<p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Professional-dress-form-Mannequin-New-Size10-12-w-Hip_W0QQitemZ130190516265QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4836QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Professional-dress-form-Mannequin-New-Size10-12-w-Hip_W0QQitemZ130190516265QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4836QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem</a></p>
<p>This one is more expensive, but it looks a little like Kathleen&#8217;s:</p>
<p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Professional-dress-form-mannequin-Full-Size-10-12-Legs_W0QQitemZ130187712508QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4836QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Professional-dress-form-mannequin-Full-Size-10-12-Legs_W0QQitemZ130187712508QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4836QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem</a></p>
<p>but I&#8217;m not sure I want a body hanging in my house. Not only is it a little creepy, but imagine what the neighbours would say!</p>
<p>OTOH, DD the paramedic student wants a skeleton <img src='http://www.fashion-incubator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, wow, wow.
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		<title>By: Lisa Bloodgood in Portland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Bloodgood in Portland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the lines of the dress are really nice, but they get lost in the print.  I think your draping is really nice, too.  Maybe solid colors with contrast pieces would be a good choice.

Because I do occasionally use pins while sewing, I use the ones labeled silk pins, fine, or very fine.  They&#039;re fairly long.  They don&#039;t leave holes in fabrics.  I don&#039;t know how well they&#039;d work in draping, but they seem to be great for sewing.  They don&#039;t have big heads though, so unless you have fingernails, they&#039;re not super easy to pull out.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the lines of the dress are really nice, but they get lost in the print.  I think your draping is really nice, too.  Maybe solid colors with contrast pieces would be a good choice.</p>
<p>Because I do occasionally use pins while sewing, I use the ones labeled silk pins, fine, or very fine.  They&#8217;re fairly long.  They don&#8217;t leave holes in fabrics.  I don&#8217;t know how well they&#8217;d work in draping, but they seem to be great for sewing.  They don&#8217;t have big heads though, so unless you have fingernails, they&#8217;re not super easy to pull out.</p>
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		<title>By: jodi jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>jodi jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it looks amazing!! great job kathleen!  this makes me want to drape, i haven&#039;t done it in ages! absolutely beautiful.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it looks amazing!! great job kathleen!  this makes me want to drape, i haven&#8217;t done it in ages! absolutely beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the dress!....

as for a magnet to pick up pins I found the most amazing invention a few weeks ago at Home Depot.  They sell this really strong magnet on a pole, it is used to pick up screws and nails, I use it in my sewing room after I have thrown a million pins on the ground....it&#039;s fantastic!  There are some like it on ebay.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the dress!&#8230;.</p>
<p>as for a magnet to pick up pins I found the most amazing invention a few weeks ago at Home Depot.  They sell this really strong magnet on a pole, it is used to pick up screws and nails, I use it in my sewing room after I have thrown a million pins on the ground&#8230;.it&#8217;s fantastic!  There are some like it on ebay.</p>
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