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		<title>By: rallyround</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/organic-cotton-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-21737</link>
		<dc:creator>rallyround</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our scientific knowledge and technological power  soars up the steep part of an exponential curve even as the health of our natural resources has entered a breathtaking decline. This is no coincidence. 
Some would argue that population growth, similarly exponential, accounts for the resource decline. The case of the United States disproves this. America&#039;s technology sets the pace for the rest of the world, yet millions of acres, in areas where her population has always been lowest and is declining, are desertifying at a rate that is compararble to the worst I have experienced in Africa.
Texas is privately owned land, the owners take a pride in in their ownership,  however the animals have been removed from the land.  I counted a total of 35 in a 300 mile flight.  There are no animals on the land (due to official destocking policy) but there are millions in factory feedlots.  There are more people in jail in Texas than there are individual farmers. Yet Texas is desertifying faster than in Africa where overgrazing is blamed.
Listen to Alan Savory talking at Colorado College.
http://www.coloradocollege.edu/news_events/audio/allansavory.m3u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our scientific knowledge and technological power  soars up the steep part of an exponential curve even as the health of our natural resources has entered a breathtaking decline. This is no coincidence.<br />
Some would argue that population growth, similarly exponential, accounts for the resource decline. The case of the United States disproves this. America&#8217;s technology sets the pace for the rest of the world, yet millions of acres, in areas where her population has always been lowest and is declining, are desertifying at a rate that is compararble to the worst I have experienced in Africa.<br />
Texas is privately owned land, the owners take a pride in in their ownership,  however the animals have been removed from the land.  I counted a total of 35 in a 300 mile flight.  There are no animals on the land (due to official destocking policy) but there are millions in factory feedlots.  There are more people in jail in Texas than there are individual farmers. Yet Texas is desertifying faster than in Africa where overgrazing is blamed.<br />
Listen to Alan Savory talking at Colorado College.<br />
<a href="http://www.coloradocollege.edu/news_events/audio/allansavory.m3u" rel="nofollow">http://www.coloradocollege.edu/news_events/audio/allansavory.m3u</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Bloodgood</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/organic-cotton-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-21729</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Bloodgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of seed saver groups.  Apparently this is really popular in Russia.  If you look at one of the Territorial Seed Company catalogs, it has several varieties of usually heirloom tomatoes that come from Russia.  Also, TSC has tons of info about all the seeds and plants they sell and tell you which are more disease resistant, drought tolerant, etc.  If you garden, try using raised beds.  While many garden plants are hybrids, to me that seems to be better than GMO.  Hybrid plants are just crossed with each other or something related like peach + plum = nectarine.  GMO can introduce something unrelated or animal into plant...that seems scary.  I&#039;ve seen samples of the green and brown cottons; they&#039;re pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of seed saver groups.  Apparently this is really popular in Russia.  If you look at one of the Territorial Seed Company catalogs, it has several varieties of usually heirloom tomatoes that come from Russia.  Also, TSC has tons of info about all the seeds and plants they sell and tell you which are more disease resistant, drought tolerant, etc.  If you garden, try using raised beds.  While many garden plants are hybrids, to me that seems to be better than GMO.  Hybrid plants are just crossed with each other or something related like peach + plum = nectarine.  GMO can introduce something unrelated or animal into plant&#8230;that seems scary.  I&#8217;ve seen samples of the green and brown cottons; they&#8217;re pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/organic-cotton-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-21725</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Sally Fox from Texas? She must be the one I read about back around 1995. I though she had the blue cotton too. I think I read too that as the fabric is washed the color gets better, unlike dyed goods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Sally Fox from Texas? She must be the one I read about back around 1995. I though she had the blue cotton too. I think I read too that as the fabric is washed the color gets better, unlike dyed goods.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is any research being done to bring back the naturally colored cottons?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Mansanto has been working on blue for years. Sally Fox (FoxFibre) has green and brown. There&#039;s another version of green native to North America called &#039;tennessee green&#039;, not very stable (cotton we use is native to Central &amp; South America). These are mentioned and linked to in my cotton gin post. 

I&#039;ve seen green and brown growing in the field. The green plant looks very different from usual and it&#039;s smaller and more fibrous. The brown cotton is beautiful in the field. It looks *exactly* like bunches of little baby bunnies nestled amongst the green plant. You&#039;d never think of growing cotton as cute but brown is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is any research being done to bring back the naturally colored cottons?</p></blockquote>
<p>Mansanto has been working on blue for years. Sally Fox (FoxFibre) has green and brown. There&#8217;s another version of green native to North America called &#8216;tennessee green&#8217;, not very stable (cotton we use is native to Central &amp; South America). These are mentioned and linked to in my cotton gin post. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen green and brown growing in the field. The green plant looks very different from usual and it&#8217;s smaller and more fibrous. The brown cotton is beautiful in the field. It looks *exactly* like bunches of little baby bunnies nestled amongst the green plant. You&#8217;d never think of growing cotton as cute but brown is.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tula - I think I read some where that if GM plants were left to grow wild they would soon revert. It seems logical, unless they were sterile or produce sterile seed like many of the new rice varieties that are grown all over the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tula &#8211; I think I read some where that if GM plants were left to grow wild they would soon revert. It seems logical, unless they were sterile or produce sterile seed like many of the new rice varieties that are grown all over the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is any research being done to bring back the naturally colored cottons?</description>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice information. Not sure how organic farming will free us entirely from fossil fuels - maybe you can explain? If you all will pardon me while I explain something of which most people are unaware - this may be off the subject a bit. How much of a contribution do humans make to the CO2 in the atmosphere on an annual basis compared to naturally occurring sources?

1. volcanic activity is the greatest source estimated at more than 500Giga tons/year most of it unseen because it happens in the ocean

2. Forests, soil activity, rotting vegetation, falling leaves, etc. @150Gigatons/year

3. All of man&#039;s activities fuel useage 6.5 Gigatons/year

Much has been written about the oceans pH becoming more acidic from increasing CO2, but that actually makes no sense because the oceans only absorb CO2 when they are cooling. So if the oceans are absorbing CO2 then the earth is actually cooling not warming.

Consider this, the climate on earth is always changing and has changed dramatically in the past without any help from us. Man&#039;s contribution to the total CO2 in the atmosphere is at 0.04%. In the past CO2 levels have changed only when the earth&#039;s temperature has changed. Not the other way around. CO2 changes lag temperature changes. The temperature increases and then CO2 levels rise with a lag of about 200 to 300 years. That is what the ice core records show. Al Gore&#039;s Inconvenient Truth is that CO2 does not drive temperature change - temperature change drives the change in CO2 levels. 

Where do you think the temperature change comes from? 
Look up in the sky  - latest reports are that the atmosphere is actually cooling, not warming - a decrease of water vapor in the stratosphere has caused this cooling. So what might the greatest green house be? If you guessed water vapor, you are spot on.

One of the nice things about increased atmospheric CO2 is that our food crops will grow in places where it was too dry to grow things like corn and wheat before, without increasing irrigation. If CO2 is really a pollutant as the EPA has designated it, remember that ever living thing on the earth gives off CO2 and we are literally made from building blocks that incorporate CO2. Your bones and teeth contain calcium carbonate which is made from calcium and CO2.

Thanks for letting me tell this and I will confine myself more directly to the subject at hand in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice information. Not sure how organic farming will free us entirely from fossil fuels &#8211; maybe you can explain? If you all will pardon me while I explain something of which most people are unaware &#8211; this may be off the subject a bit. How much of a contribution do humans make to the CO2 in the atmosphere on an annual basis compared to naturally occurring sources?</p>
<p>1. volcanic activity is the greatest source estimated at more than 500Giga tons/year most of it unseen because it happens in the ocean</p>
<p>2. Forests, soil activity, rotting vegetation, falling leaves, etc. @150Gigatons/year</p>
<p>3. All of man&#8217;s activities fuel useage 6.5 Gigatons/year</p>
<p>Much has been written about the oceans pH becoming more acidic from increasing CO2, but that actually makes no sense because the oceans only absorb CO2 when they are cooling. So if the oceans are absorbing CO2 then the earth is actually cooling not warming.</p>
<p>Consider this, the climate on earth is always changing and has changed dramatically in the past without any help from us. Man&#8217;s contribution to the total CO2 in the atmosphere is at 0.04%. In the past CO2 levels have changed only when the earth&#8217;s temperature has changed. Not the other way around. CO2 changes lag temperature changes. The temperature increases and then CO2 levels rise with a lag of about 200 to 300 years. That is what the ice core records show. Al Gore&#8217;s Inconvenient Truth is that CO2 does not drive temperature change &#8211; temperature change drives the change in CO2 levels. </p>
<p>Where do you think the temperature change comes from?<br />
Look up in the sky  &#8211; latest reports are that the atmosphere is actually cooling, not warming &#8211; a decrease of water vapor in the stratosphere has caused this cooling. So what might the greatest green house be? If you guessed water vapor, you are spot on.</p>
<p>One of the nice things about increased atmospheric CO2 is that our food crops will grow in places where it was too dry to grow things like corn and wheat before, without increasing irrigation. If CO2 is really a pollutant as the EPA has designated it, remember that ever living thing on the earth gives off CO2 and we are literally made from building blocks that incorporate CO2. Your bones and teeth contain calcium carbonate which is made from calcium and CO2.</p>
<p>Thanks for letting me tell this and I will confine myself more directly to the subject at hand in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: rallyround</title>
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		<dc:creator>rallyround</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tula are you familiar with these studies?
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/GMCropsFacingMeltdown.php
The organic market has been booming in the United States despite the economic downturn. According to a new report from the US Department of Agriculture, retail sales of organic food went up to $21.1 billion in 2008 from $3.6 billion in 1997 [23] (see Fig. 1). The market is so active that organic farms have struggled at times to produce sufficient supply to keep up with the rapid growth in consumer demand, leading to periodic shortages of organic products.
Most relevant for US farmers is a study by Kathleen Delate of Iowa State University and Cynthia A. Cambardella of the US Department of Agriculture assessing the performance of farms during the three-year transition it takes to switch from conventional to certified organic production [26]. The experiment lasting four years (three years transition and first year organic) showed that although yields dropped initially, they equalized in the third year, and by the fourth year, the organic yields were ahead of the conventional for both soybean and corn.

Our report [25] also documents the enormous potential for reducing greenhouse emissions – even to the extent of freeing us entirely from fossil fuels – through organic agriculture and localised food (and renewable energy) systems. It is a unique combination of the latest scientific analyses, case studies of farmer-led research, and especially farmers’ own experiences and innovations that often confound academic scientists wedded to outmoded and obsolete theories, of which GM technology is one glaring example.
The truth is that there are no GM crops that grow in hardy areas. These are still pipedreams like using a gene from a cockroach so that humans will survive global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tula are you familiar with these studies?<br />
<a href="http://www.i-sis.org.uk/GMCropsFacingMeltdown.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.i-sis.org.uk/GMCropsFacingMeltdown.php</a><br />
The organic market has been booming in the United States despite the economic downturn. According to a new report from the US Department of Agriculture, retail sales of organic food went up to $21.1 billion in 2008 from $3.6 billion in 1997 [23] (see Fig. 1). The market is so active that organic farms have struggled at times to produce sufficient supply to keep up with the rapid growth in consumer demand, leading to periodic shortages of organic products.<br />
Most relevant for US farmers is a study by Kathleen Delate of Iowa State University and Cynthia A. Cambardella of the US Department of Agriculture assessing the performance of farms during the three-year transition it takes to switch from conventional to certified organic production [26]. The experiment lasting four years (three years transition and first year organic) showed that although yields dropped initially, they equalized in the third year, and by the fourth year, the organic yields were ahead of the conventional for both soybean and corn.</p>
<p>Our report [25] also documents the enormous potential for reducing greenhouse emissions – even to the extent of freeing us entirely from fossil fuels – through organic agriculture and localised food (and renewable energy) systems. It is a unique combination of the latest scientific analyses, case studies of farmer-led research, and especially farmers’ own experiences and innovations that often confound academic scientists wedded to outmoded and obsolete theories, of which GM technology is one glaring example.<br />
The truth is that there are no GM crops that grow in hardy areas. These are still pipedreams like using a gene from a cockroach so that humans will survive global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Harmony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harmony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this seems to have turned into somewhat of a debate on GMOs I thought I would share this link with you: http://oecotextiles.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/reasons-for-concern-regarding-gmos/  which describes some of the issues already mentioned and talks about some others... in case some of you are interested.  I find O Ecotextiles to be a thoughtful resource for information on many subjects relating to textiles and processing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this seems to have turned into somewhat of a debate on GMOs I thought I would share this link with you: <a href="http://oecotextiles.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/reasons-for-concern-regarding-gmos/" rel="nofollow">http://oecotextiles.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/reasons-for-concern-regarding-gmos/</a>  which describes some of the issues already mentioned and talks about some others&#8230; in case some of you are interested.  I find O Ecotextiles to be a thoughtful resource for information on many subjects relating to textiles and processing.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree whole heartedly with all of your concerns. In fact there is a great organization that keeps track of such developments. It is called GRAIN (www.grain.org).
I remember some work done in the mid 90&#039;s in regard to naturally green and blue cotton. Until I read about it I did not know it ever existed. More than likely the genes are still in the cotton to produce the other colors; just suppressed from breeding. Kinda like dogs; all came from one variety of wolf and through breeding we have the huge variety - though some are not good at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree whole heartedly with all of your concerns. In fact there is a great organization that keeps track of such developments. It is called GRAIN (www.grain.org).<br />
I remember some work done in the mid 90&#8217;s in regard to naturally green and blue cotton. Until I read about it I did not know it ever existed. More than likely the genes are still in the cotton to produce the other colors; just suppressed from breeding. Kinda like dogs; all came from one variety of wolf and through breeding we have the huge variety &#8211; though some are not good at all.</p>
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