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		<title>By: Gwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!  I was just recently pointed in the direction of your pattern puzzles.  Wow!  How fun and challenging!  I&#039;d like to use this particular image of the &quot;vintage german dress&quot; to point my blog readers to your website and your pattern puzzles in particular.  I hope it&#039;s okay, but, if not, please let me know.  Thanks!  
Take care,
Gwen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!  I was just recently pointed in the direction of your pattern puzzles.  Wow!  How fun and challenging!  I&#8217;d like to use this particular image of the &#8220;vintage german dress&#8221; to point my blog readers to your website and your pattern puzzles in particular.  I hope it&#8217;s okay, but, if not, please let me know.  Thanks!<br />
Take care,<br />
Gwen</p>
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		<title>By: Pattern puzzle: vintage German dress pt.2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pattern puzzle: vintage German dress pt.2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ClaireOKC</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClaireOKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK - somebody&#039;s going to get a good whopping for this....here I was minding my own business, not bugging anyone, and someone has to post this pattern thingie online....well, I nearly went nuts doing it....but sorta got it figured out.  And then I see lots of you came up with the same thing...I shoulda just waited...but oooooo noooooo, not me....had to get obsessive about this.

http://clairekennedydesign.com/picts/prettygirl1.mov
Here she is in all her glory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK &#8211; somebody&#8217;s going to get a good whopping for this&#8230;.here I was minding my own business, not bugging anyone, and someone has to post this pattern thingie online&#8230;.well, I nearly went nuts doing it&#8230;.but sorta got it figured out.  And then I see lots of you came up with the same thing&#8230;I shoulda just waited&#8230;but oooooo noooooo, not me&#8230;.had to get obsessive about this.</p>
<p><a href="http://clairekennedydesign.com/picts/prettygirl1.mov" rel="nofollow">http://clairekennedydesign.com/picts/prettygirl1.mov</a><br />
Here she is in all her glory.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Gaffey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Gaffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>link for pictures....   http://www.flickr.com/photos/emikagradan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>link for pictures&#8230;.   <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/emikagradan" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/emikagradan</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Gaffey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Gaffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pictures were sent in a separate email, someday I&#039;ll learn how to do this all at once....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pictures were sent in a separate email, someday I&#8217;ll learn how to do this all at once&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Gaffey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Gaffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kathleen! I promised I&#039;d be more active!
After constructing this dress with lots of gathers, I thought, boy this lady had a huge bust and a tiny waist!!!Then I remembered a 1950&#039;s dress I made years ago. No zippers, so it had to be big enough to jump into , then using buttons as closures. If this was a post war utilitarian type dress, it also had to be functional, hence the large pockets in front. Zippers weren&#039;t as widely used until after the war, when they became more afffordable and more reliable..  I constructed this dress without any gathers and without altering the pattern. Ive attached pictures of before the dress is closed and after. Somehow a large pocket may have been made out of the extra fabric in front. I think this is why the waist seam in front, is lower than the back waist, so the pockets would be at &#039;hands length&#039; ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kathleen! I promised I&#8217;d be more active!<br />
After constructing this dress with lots of gathers, I thought, boy this lady had a huge bust and a tiny waist!!!Then I remembered a 1950&#8217;s dress I made years ago. No zippers, so it had to be big enough to jump into , then using buttons as closures. If this was a post war utilitarian type dress, it also had to be functional, hence the large pockets in front. Zippers weren&#8217;t as widely used until after the war, when they became more afffordable and more reliable..  I constructed this dress without any gathers and without altering the pattern. Ive attached pictures of before the dress is closed and after. Somehow a large pocket may have been made out of the extra fabric in front. I think this is why the waist seam in front, is lower than the back waist, so the pockets would be at &#8216;hands length&#8217; ??</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sketch looked a lot like Lisa Shoemaker&#039;s, so I didn&#039;t scan it in, however, it should have been drawn on a plus-size croquis as the pattern is for a 44 inch bust.  Also, the horizontal waist seam is lower at the front than the back.  There are teeny tiny matching notches visible on the front bodice, below the gusset notch and above point 3, and on the back side seam below the gusset mark on the bodice and about 1/5 of the way down the side seam of the back skirt.   There may or may not be a CF seam on the skirt - there are no seam alllowances on this pattern so it would be up to the dressmaker&#039;s discretion - as was the addition of a gusset, and how to finish the edges. ie facing, lining, binding etc.   

Realistically speaking, the fabric width would make a seam necessary. Because the 97cm hem width measurement is on an angle, the width across the grain is possibly less than 90cm so no piecing necessary.  However, it could be that it&#039;s been graded up from a smaller sample, with the assumption that the dressmaker will know that they need to piece if they want that much fullness in the skirt. And if they did actually mention piecing, the instruction in English was: &quot;Attach lacking fabric width to front and back.&quot; :-)   

Personally, I&#039;d either have removed some of the gathering to avoid piecing and to avoid widening the full figure even more, or I&#039;d have put the CF on a fold and pieced closer in (straight grain) or made a gore seam (bias grain).  The cut-out dart on the back sleeve (piece 76) would probably have been closed with buttons and loops.   The short lines are grain lines, the numbers are match points.  

I learnt to sew in the eighties using these vintage german patterns, (this one&#039;s almost certainly from Neue Mode in the early-to-mid 1960&#039;s judging by the style number, the marking conventions, and the font used for the pattern numbers) so this was a no brainer.  Obviously it needs more pattern pieces for facings/linings etc, but to save space on the pattern sheets they were never included. The folded back sleeve and the seam lengths marked on the skirt pieces were also to fit the pattern piece onto the pattern sheet.  The sleeve section was traced off separately and pasted together, and the skirt was only partially drawn, to be finished according to the diagram.  It was presumed the dressmaker knew how to make all the extras from the basic shapes.  The sewing instructions were also entertaining.  Minimal to the point of useless for today&#039;s home sewers, but these magazines were a pattern resource not a sewing resource.  It was assumed that the people using them already had the skills required to make them up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sketch looked a lot like Lisa Shoemaker&#8217;s, so I didn&#8217;t scan it in, however, it should have been drawn on a plus-size croquis as the pattern is for a 44 inch bust.  Also, the horizontal waist seam is lower at the front than the back.  There are teeny tiny matching notches visible on the front bodice, below the gusset notch and above point 3, and on the back side seam below the gusset mark on the bodice and about 1/5 of the way down the side seam of the back skirt.   There may or may not be a CF seam on the skirt &#8211; there are no seam alllowances on this pattern so it would be up to the dressmaker&#8217;s discretion &#8211; as was the addition of a gusset, and how to finish the edges. ie facing, lining, binding etc.   </p>
<p>Realistically speaking, the fabric width would make a seam necessary. Because the 97cm hem width measurement is on an angle, the width across the grain is possibly less than 90cm so no piecing necessary.  However, it could be that it&#8217;s been graded up from a smaller sample, with the assumption that the dressmaker will know that they need to piece if they want that much fullness in the skirt. And if they did actually mention piecing, the instruction in English was: &#8220;Attach lacking fabric width to front and back.&#8221; <img src='http://www.fashion-incubator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />    </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d either have removed some of the gathering to avoid piecing and to avoid widening the full figure even more, or I&#8217;d have put the CF on a fold and pieced closer in (straight grain) or made a gore seam (bias grain).  The cut-out dart on the back sleeve (piece 76) would probably have been closed with buttons and loops.   The short lines are grain lines, the numbers are match points.  </p>
<p>I learnt to sew in the eighties using these vintage german patterns, (this one&#8217;s almost certainly from Neue Mode in the early-to-mid 1960&#8217;s judging by the style number, the marking conventions, and the font used for the pattern numbers) so this was a no brainer.  Obviously it needs more pattern pieces for facings/linings etc, but to save space on the pattern sheets they were never included. The folded back sleeve and the seam lengths marked on the skirt pieces were also to fit the pattern piece onto the pattern sheet.  The sleeve section was traced off separately and pasted together, and the skirt was only partially drawn, to be finished according to the diagram.  It was presumed the dressmaker knew how to make all the extras from the basic shapes.  The sewing instructions were also entertaining.  Minimal to the point of useless for today&#8217;s home sewers, but these magazines were a pattern resource not a sewing resource.  It was assumed that the people using them already had the skills required to make them up.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 06:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the lines are just short grainlines.
The really short lines under the arms look like gusset lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the lines are just short grainlines.<br />
The really short lines under the arms look like gusset lines.</p>
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		<title>By: dosfashionistas</title>
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		<dc:creator>dosfashionistas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to get my sketch in here somehow. Kathleen, if I take a picture with my phone and send it to you, can you use it?

I am going to disagree about the sleeve length. Based on the scale of the pattern pieces, those are full length sleeves. Also, no one so far has shown what the line in the top of the point on the lower front represents. I think all those lines represent darts or tucks, but I do not see any logical need for either in that spot. So far I am ignoring it, just like everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to get my sketch in here somehow. Kathleen, if I take a picture with my phone and send it to you, can you use it?</p>
<p>I am going to disagree about the sleeve length. Based on the scale of the pattern pieces, those are full length sleeves. Also, no one so far has shown what the line in the top of the point on the lower front represents. I think all those lines represent darts or tucks, but I do not see any logical need for either in that spot. So far I am ignoring it, just like everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: patsijean</title>
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		<dc:creator>patsijean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 05:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very pretty dress.  While exact, and only figuring it in my head, I was close.  Not exact, but close.</description>
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