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		<title>By: kathi s</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathi s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dear departed MIL disliked me so much that she mailed my husband new clothes every week for 5 months (I am not exaggerating) so he would not have to do laundry (his job in grad school).  After the mountain of dirty clothes exceeded the capacity of our little bedroom, I gave up and did the laundry.  Her dislike of me continued to the end.
My husband has been a vegetarian for ten years.  He converted to Buddhism 12 years ago and made the ultimate conversion to ovo-lacto vegetarianism after he had a revelation.  We have a hamburger loving son so have a &quot;mixed&quot; marriage.  I probably will cut back on meat after he leaves home, but will probably not convert completely to a meatless lifestyle.  I did buy a free-range turkey this year and hope she had a happy life, be it a short one.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear departed MIL disliked me so much that she mailed my husband new clothes every week for 5 months (I am not exaggerating) so he would not have to do laundry (his job in grad school).  After the mountain of dirty clothes exceeded the capacity of our little bedroom, I gave up and did the laundry.  Her dislike of me continued to the end.<br />
My husband has been a vegetarian for ten years.  He converted to Buddhism 12 years ago and made the ultimate conversion to ovo-lacto vegetarianism after he had a revelation.  We have a hamburger loving son so have a &#8220;mixed&#8221; marriage.  I probably will cut back on meat after he leaves home, but will probably not convert completely to a meatless lifestyle.  I did buy a free-range turkey this year and hope she had a happy life, be it a short one.</p>
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		<title>By: J C Sprowls</title>
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		<dc:creator>J C Sprowls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 02:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! How generous!

No need for Sudafed - I&#039;m not allergic. I love animules. Though, if I bring Maddie (my dog) she would be making new friends (and, adopting pets) straight away.

Univalves e Bivalves, eh? They sure do sound easy to entertain...


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! How generous!</p>
<p>No need for Sudafed &#8211; I&#8217;m not allergic. I love animules. Though, if I bring Maddie (my dog) she would be making new friends (and, adopting pets) straight away.</p>
<p>Univalves e Bivalves, eh? They sure do sound easy to entertain&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: La BellaDonna</title>
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		<dc:creator>La BellaDonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.C., you&#039;re welcome to come if you like.  (Seriously.  Fourth Thursday in November.)  Yeah, they&#039;re nice people - bright and funny, even if the volume tends to go up when they&#039;re all assembled; if they lived closer, I&#039;d spend more time with them, because I like them.  And they&#039;re easy to entertain!  One year (for whatever reason), we were rivted by the subject of Pearls, the Nature of Nacre, with a side tour into Univalves and Bivalves.  Another year, they were riveted by a math program on the TV - I think it might have been &quot;Meet Mr. Pythagoras.&quot;  Really, &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; easy to entertain.  Be prepared to mash potatoes, and to take a Sudafed if you&#039;re allergic to cats, of whom I have one (but he&#039;s a substantial representative of the species - and also very nice).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.C., you&#8217;re welcome to come if you like.  (Seriously.  Fourth Thursday in November.)  Yeah, they&#8217;re nice people &#8211; bright and funny, even if the volume tends to go up when they&#8217;re all assembled; if they lived closer, I&#8217;d spend more time with them, because I like them.  And they&#8217;re easy to entertain!  One year (for whatever reason), we were rivted by the subject of Pearls, the Nature of Nacre, with a side tour into Univalves and Bivalves.  Another year, they were riveted by a math program on the TV &#8211; I think it might have been &#8220;Meet Mr. Pythagoras.&#8221;  Really, <i>really</i> easy to entertain.  Be prepared to mash potatoes, and to take a Sudafed if you&#8217;re allergic to cats, of whom I have one (but he&#8217;s a substantial representative of the species &#8211; and also very nice).</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Cummins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Cummins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Using more land to produce the same amount of food is not necessarily a good thing if land is in limited supply.&quot;

You&#039;re absolutely right, using more land to produce more food is probably efficent. But that&#039;s not my comment.

With less than 2 hectares (5 acres) of biologically productive land per human being on the planet, economy of land use is a high priority. If humans use every last bit of usable land to live on and produce food, there&#039;s nowhere left for animals either. Life won&#039;t be fun. The real problem is that there are far too many of us, but given that we&#039;re here we can&#039;t squander land.

Where you live, land pressure might be most visible as suburban sprawl. But if the entire planet lived like the average american we&#039;d need about sixteen planets. Land needs to be used thoughtfully.

For instance, slash-and-burn is a perfectly sustainable subsistence farming technique for small groups in low population areas. It actually contributes to ecological diversity by opening up spaces in forests. But that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s the best way to feed everyone today.

The problem is that there are too many of us, not that we all live in big houses. Because most of us don&#039;t.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Using more land to produce the same amount of food is not necessarily a good thing if land is in limited supply.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right, using more land to produce more food is probably efficent. But that&#8217;s not my comment.</p>
<p>With less than 2 hectares (5 acres) of biologically productive land per human being on the planet, economy of land use is a high priority. If humans use every last bit of usable land to live on and produce food, there&#8217;s nowhere left for animals either. Life won&#8217;t be fun. The real problem is that there are far too many of us, but given that we&#8217;re here we can&#8217;t squander land.</p>
<p>Where you live, land pressure might be most visible as suburban sprawl. But if the entire planet lived like the average american we&#8217;d need about sixteen planets. Land needs to be used thoughtfully.</p>
<p>For instance, slash-and-burn is a perfectly sustainable subsistence farming technique for small groups in low population areas. It actually contributes to ecological diversity by opening up spaces in forests. But that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s the best way to feed everyone today.</p>
<p>The problem is that there are too many of us, not that we all live in big houses. Because most of us don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: elizNY</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a herd management standpoint, there are many benefits to it.

For some crops, narrower row spacing can result in higher yields. Farm equipment has evolved over the years to accomodate this. For others, it can result in lower yields due to lowered pest resistance, spread of fungi and other diseases, and less access to sunlight. There are limits, epscially if you do not want to use chemical pesticides, fungicides, or herbicides that poison the food and pollute waterways. There are natural ways of managing weeds and pests, and they require room.

There are more benefits to preserving farmland and open space than yield per acre.

We aren&#039;t running out of space to put people. We are running out of space to put people who wish to live in the ever-expanding suburbs, and who wish to widen roads, build strip malls and mega-car lots and have hundreds of shopping opportunities once they live there.

If land is in limited supply due to an increasing population, all the more reason to preserve and protect land that will feed people. Supporting family farmers helps.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a herd management standpoint, there are many benefits to it.</p>
<p>For some crops, narrower row spacing can result in higher yields. Farm equipment has evolved over the years to accomodate this. For others, it can result in lower yields due to lowered pest resistance, spread of fungi and other diseases, and less access to sunlight. There are limits, epscially if you do not want to use chemical pesticides, fungicides, or herbicides that poison the food and pollute waterways. There are natural ways of managing weeds and pests, and they require room.</p>
<p>There are more benefits to preserving farmland and open space than yield per acre.</p>
<p>We aren&#8217;t running out of space to put people. We are running out of space to put people who wish to live in the ever-expanding suburbs, and who wish to widen roads, build strip malls and mega-car lots and have hundreds of shopping opportunities once they live there.</p>
<p>If land is in limited supply due to an increasing population, all the more reason to preserve and protect land that will feed people. Supporting family farmers helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Cummins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Cummins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 05:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elizNY, using more land to produce the same amount of food is not necessarily a good thing if land is in limited supply. And land is in limited supply, with the 6.6 billion human beings pushing the planet&#039;s limits every day.

Our choices are not simple.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elizNY, using more land to produce the same amount of food is not necessarily a good thing if land is in limited supply. And land is in limited supply, with the 6.6 billion human beings pushing the planet&#8217;s limits every day.</p>
<p>Our choices are not simple.</p>
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		<title>By: elizNY</title>
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		<dc:creator>elizNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Kathleen for differentiating between animals that are humanely and sustainably raised and those that are not. Most family farmers are acutely aware of our responsibilty not only to the animals but to the consumer and to the environment. Does it cost more to produce food this way? Yes. It takes alot more time and alot more acreage to raise beef on grass than to fatten it quickly on cheap, fat-laden, animal-by-product feed lots. But the quality is better, it&#039;s healthier for the consumer, and the cow gets to be a cow. It&#039;s easier on the environment. Same goes for poultry.
Whether one is an omnivore or a strict vegan, we all have the ability to choose where our food comes from. Vegetable crops often employ eco-unfriendly practices as well. I eat meat, and I applaud your stand on commercial meat production. I personally do not drink milk, for a myriad of reasons which I do not have room to get into here - and I no longer care if that makes me unpopular (it does). The fact that people find it difficult to locate pastured poultry or grass fed beef in their communities is discouraging - it reiterates to me that family farms are disappearing, and agri-conglomerates are taking over, and that is a bad, bad thing for all of us, no matter where we live.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Kathleen for differentiating between animals that are humanely and sustainably raised and those that are not. Most family farmers are acutely aware of our responsibilty not only to the animals but to the consumer and to the environment. Does it cost more to produce food this way? Yes. It takes alot more time and alot more acreage to raise beef on grass than to fatten it quickly on cheap, fat-laden, animal-by-product feed lots. But the quality is better, it&#8217;s healthier for the consumer, and the cow gets to be a cow. It&#8217;s easier on the environment. Same goes for poultry.<br />
Whether one is an omnivore or a strict vegan, we all have the ability to choose where our food comes from. Vegetable crops often employ eco-unfriendly practices as well. I eat meat, and I applaud your stand on commercial meat production. I personally do not drink milk, for a myriad of reasons which I do not have room to get into here &#8211; and I no longer care if that makes me unpopular (it does). The fact that people find it difficult to locate pastured poultry or grass fed beef in their communities is discouraging &#8211; it reiterates to me that family farms are disappearing, and agri-conglomerates are taking over, and that is a bad, bad thing for all of us, no matter where we live.</p>
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		<title>By: J C Sprowls</title>
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		<dc:creator>J C Sprowls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! Can I adopt your family, LaBellaDonna?

Mine is high-anxiety - always, ALWAYS! I dearly love each of them, &lt;b&gt;independently&lt;/b&gt;. But, my patience wears thin with the abundance of negative energy around the 2nd hour. They&#039;re each brilliant, stellar people; but, that somehow gets sucked out of the room when more than 2 are assembled.

I sometimes feel guilty by saying this: but, I enjoy being 2K miles from home. I can pick-and-chose my visits (strictly off-holiday, now) and can always save face by blaming flight schedules or traffic.

RE: social duty and business responsibility...

Thank you, Kathleen, for making this stand. I agree that, as potential employers, we have a responsibility to our staff and community. After all, these are the reasons we will achieve any modicum of success.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! Can I adopt your family, LaBellaDonna?</p>
<p>Mine is high-anxiety &#8211; always, ALWAYS! I dearly love each of them, <b>independently</b>. But, my patience wears thin with the abundance of negative energy around the 2nd hour. They&#8217;re each brilliant, stellar people; but, that somehow gets sucked out of the room when more than 2 are assembled.</p>
<p>I sometimes feel guilty by saying this: but, I enjoy being 2K miles from home. I can pick-and-chose my visits (strictly off-holiday, now) and can always save face by blaming flight schedules or traffic.</p>
<p>RE: social duty and business responsibility&#8230;</p>
<p>Thank you, Kathleen, for making this stand. I agree that, as potential employers, we have a responsibility to our staff and community. After all, these are the reasons we will achieve any modicum of success.</p>
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		<title>By: La BellaDonna</title>
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		<dc:creator>La BellaDonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Circle-of-Lifer.  I eat meat, sometimes; I buy from local farmers; I do animal rescue.  I wear second-hand furs which are older than I am.

My thought was that if some of the birds in the photos are tasty, probably some of the people are, too (different audiences, though).  I liked Thanksgiving for the chance to be with my family; we&#039;re low-pressure, and I&#039;m pretty much the matriarch.  Good heavens.  Mostly because our genetic Circle-of-Life has a pretty short diameter.  I like to think one of the things my family is thankful for is a guilt-free place to go on Thanksgiving.  If you can make it, you&#039;re very welcome; if you can&#039;t, no problem, maybe next year.  I don&#039;t know why it can&#039;t just be like that for more folks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Circle-of-Lifer.  I eat meat, sometimes; I buy from local farmers; I do animal rescue.  I wear second-hand furs which are older than I am.</p>
<p>My thought was that if some of the birds in the photos are tasty, probably some of the people are, too (different audiences, though).  I liked Thanksgiving for the chance to be with my family; we&#8217;re low-pressure, and I&#8217;m pretty much the matriarch.  Good heavens.  Mostly because our genetic Circle-of-Life has a pretty short diameter.  I like to think one of the things my family is thankful for is a guilt-free place to go on Thanksgiving.  If you can make it, you&#8217;re very welcome; if you can&#8217;t, no problem, maybe next year.  I don&#8217;t know why it can&#8217;t just be like that for more folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Cummins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Cummins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chickens are hard enough to raise economically and nicely that I have to assume any chicken-related product I encounter in a store is from a not-very-nice place. Of course some are worse than others, and farmers are not usually evil people. My cousin has a small collection of exotic mini-chickens on her hobby farm who live in a little house built by her architect son. They aren&#039;t fenced in and come when called to be fed by hand. I would have no problem at all eating her eggs! But my cousin isn&#039;t running a business. She just has pets who lay eggs. I don&#039;t personally know any (hobby) farmers where I live who raise happy chickens, so I stay away from chicken. Not that it can&#039;t be done, I just can&#039;t identify it.

Kathleen - that&#039;s exactly why I read your blog! Your practical, passionate commitment to doing things right. At all levels. And to educating the rest of us.

Hugs!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chickens are hard enough to raise economically and nicely that I have to assume any chicken-related product I encounter in a store is from a not-very-nice place. Of course some are worse than others, and farmers are not usually evil people. My cousin has a small collection of exotic mini-chickens on her hobby farm who live in a little house built by her architect son. They aren&#8217;t fenced in and come when called to be fed by hand. I would have no problem at all eating her eggs! But my cousin isn&#8217;t running a business. She just has pets who lay eggs. I don&#8217;t personally know any (hobby) farmers where I live who raise happy chickens, so I stay away from chicken. Not that it can&#8217;t be done, I just can&#8217;t identify it.</p>
<p>Kathleen &#8211; that&#8217;s exactly why I read your blog! Your practical, passionate commitment to doing things right. At all levels. And to educating the rest of us.</p>
<p>Hugs!</p>
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