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	<description>How to start a clothing line or run the one you have, better.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrea Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was &quot;d&#039;oh&quot; moment. I knew it (because you posted on it before) but wasn&#039;t critically thinking. Great post! Thanks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was &#8220;d&#8217;oh&#8221; moment. I knew it (because you posted on it before) but wasn&#8217;t critically thinking. Great post! Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a consumer, I would have thought &quot;crappy quality control&quot; and not bought the pants, although as a home sewer I know perfectly well that different fabrics shrink at different rates. Unless they have a particularly knowledgeable clientele, I think manufacturers are shooting themselves in the foot doing this (although I don&#039;t know what the alternative is either).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a consumer, I would have thought &#8220;crappy quality control&#8221; and not bought the pants, although as a home sewer I know perfectly well that different fabrics shrink at different rates. Unless they have a particularly knowledgeable clientele, I think manufacturers are shooting themselves in the foot doing this (although I don&#8217;t know what the alternative is either).</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shannon, there was no tag explaining shrinkage. This used to be more common twenty years ago. I agree that consumers who don&#039;t know will chalk it up to manufacturer malfeasance which is why it&#039;s ironic that in spite of exercising greater integrity in product development, consumers get the opposite impression. It&#039;s not as it once was, consumers assumed products *would* shrink. It&#039;s odd to find consumers don&#039;t realize this in my lifetime.

Shrinkage is one reason I&#039;ve long recommended DEs resurrect the practice of noting shrinkage on their hang tags. Truthfully tho, there is a barrier to doing so, namely costs. Unless one has the capacity to print their own hang tags to match shrinkage of specific fabrics used, it&#039;s not likely to change.

[edited: Rather than adding another comment, I&#039;m amending this comment to respond to Laura&#039;s below]

If I compared two pairs of slacks, same style, same *color way* and they were two different lengths... well...that&#039;d definitely be shoddy quality control. Levis had this problem a lot! I&#039;ve stopped buying them in the last ten years because their 501&#039;s varied so much. The only way you could compare their apples to apples was to sort through the piles, checking the tags for country of origin and *hope* it was the same contractor to make a useful comparison.

Like I said before, becoming a huge brand with contractors in many different locations creates problems. How is a consumer to know anymore or have any confidence? One used to be able to compare lot numbers. Any variations between units of the same lot number indicated poor sewing controls.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon, there was no tag explaining shrinkage. This used to be more common twenty years ago. I agree that consumers who don&#8217;t know will chalk it up to manufacturer malfeasance which is why it&#8217;s ironic that in spite of exercising greater integrity in product development, consumers get the opposite impression. It&#8217;s not as it once was, consumers assumed products *would* shrink. It&#8217;s odd to find consumers don&#8217;t realize this in my lifetime.</p>
<p>Shrinkage is one reason I&#8217;ve long recommended DEs resurrect the practice of noting shrinkage on their hang tags. Truthfully tho, there is a barrier to doing so, namely costs. Unless one has the capacity to print their own hang tags to match shrinkage of specific fabrics used, it&#8217;s not likely to change.</p>
<p>[edited: Rather than adding another comment, I'm amending this comment to respond to Laura's below]</p>
<p>If I compared two pairs of slacks, same style, same *color way* and they were two different lengths&#8230; well&#8230;that&#8217;d definitely be shoddy quality control. Levis had this problem a lot! I&#8217;ve stopped buying them in the last ten years because their 501&#8217;s varied so much. The only way you could compare their apples to apples was to sort through the piles, checking the tags for country of origin and *hope* it was the same contractor to make a useful comparison.</p>
<p>Like I said before, becoming a huge brand with contractors in many different locations creates problems. How is a consumer to know anymore or have any confidence? One used to be able to compare lot numbers. Any variations between units of the same lot number indicated poor sewing controls.</p>
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		<title>By: ShannonG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShannonG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, am pleased that the manufacturer has taken the time and effort to make this difference based on the fabric properties.  However, I have a concern.  The average consumer will look at this in disgust, and proceed to purchase those garments which fit off the hangar.  Then, when the first cleaning takes place and the garment no longer fits in the same manner, the manufacturer will be blamed for using sub-standard materials, and the consumer will limit or eliminate their future purchases from this manufacturer.

Was there a hang-tag on the pants that explained the shrinkage?  Is there any viable way to educate consumers about the properties of fabrics without sounding too clinical?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, am pleased that the manufacturer has taken the time and effort to make this difference based on the fabric properties.  However, I have a concern.  The average consumer will look at this in disgust, and proceed to purchase those garments which fit off the hangar.  Then, when the first cleaning takes place and the garment no longer fits in the same manner, the manufacturer will be blamed for using sub-standard materials, and the consumer will limit or eliminate their future purchases from this manufacturer.</p>
<p>Was there a hang-tag on the pants that explained the shrinkage?  Is there any viable way to educate consumers about the properties of fabrics without sounding too clinical?</p>
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		<title>By: Big Irv</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/pop_quiz_468_pt2/comment-page-1/#comment-8899</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Irv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marguerite,

You need to stay away from local dry cleaning services to wash fabric and locate a proper wash/dyehouse.

Material needs to be washed in specific ways and properly dried and rerolled.

You needn&#039;t have to pay more than 40-50 cents per yd, often less if you do larger volumes.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marguerite,</p>
<p>You need to stay away from local dry cleaning services to wash fabric and locate a proper wash/dyehouse.</p>
<p>Material needs to be washed in specific ways and properly dried and rerolled.</p>
<p>You needn&#8217;t have to pay more than 40-50 cents per yd, often less if you do larger volumes.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m excited about the upcoming denim shrinkage entry!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m excited about the upcoming denim shrinkage entry!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marguerite, this is a common theme in the forum. &lt;a href=&quot;http://fashion-incubator.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=4596#4596&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here are&lt;/a&gt; some resources, advice and referrals.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marguerite, this is a common theme in the forum. <a href="http://fashion-incubator.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=4596#4596" rel="nofollow">Here are</a> some resources, advice and referrals.</p>
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		<title>By: Marguerite Swope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marguerite Swope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Christy, for the tip.  I called a dye house and they don&#039;t do it.  Then, in a moment of inspiration that now seems like &quot;why didn&#039;t I think of this earlier&quot;, I called the local dry cleaners.  They do bulk washing for $1.38/lb.  Wash/dry/fold.  Perfect.  Although, it will add nearly $1/yd. to my fabric cost.

Of course, I probably add that much by washing/drying it myself!

Marguerite
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Christy, for the tip.  I called a dye house and they don&#8217;t do it.  Then, in a moment of inspiration that now seems like &#8220;why didn&#8217;t I think of this earlier&#8221;, I called the local dry cleaners.  They do bulk washing for $1.38/lb.  Wash/dry/fold.  Perfect.  Although, it will add nearly $1/yd. to my fabric cost.</p>
<p>Of course, I probably add that much by washing/drying it myself!</p>
<p>Marguerite</p>
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		<title>By: christy</title>
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		<dc:creator>christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marguerite, I think you can contact dye houses to have them wash/dry and then re-roll the fabric.  I haven&#039;t ever done this myself, however.

I want to know why black shrinks the most!  I voted correctly but *only* because, as you mentioned, it seemed like the counterintuitive answer and therefore the right one.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marguerite, I think you can contact dye houses to have them wash/dry and then re-roll the fabric.  I haven&#8217;t ever done this myself, however.</p>
<p>I want to know why black shrinks the most!  I voted correctly but *only* because, as you mentioned, it seemed like the counterintuitive answer and therefore the right one.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarisse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarisse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen, thank you for your consumer PSA.  I could never articulate my love/hate attitude toward Gap jeans (buy the same size all the time, never fits the same), but now I know.  Can&#039;t wait to find more answers in your upcoming denim shrinkage (guest) post!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen, thank you for your consumer PSA.  I could never articulate my love/hate attitude toward Gap jeans (buy the same size all the time, never fits the same), but now I know.  Can&#8217;t wait to find more answers in your upcoming denim shrinkage (guest) post!</p>
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