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		<title>By: Why you should start your own sewing factory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why you should start your own sewing factory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is the post I had intended to write after the recalibration post rather than the slow fashion one. By way of reminder, in the former I’d said that 2010 would [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Vesta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vesta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband works in retail. They were told at a meeting a few months ago that the US has something like 20 square feet of retail space per capita. The next country down on the list has something like 3 square feet per capita (Sweden?). That&#039;s the number that keeps popping into my head when I try to envision the next decade in this country. We&#039;re in for a long adjustment period. Personally, I think it&#039;s healthy. But fun, it will not be.

I&#039;m off to read the slow fashion post. Honestly, I need to see a better discussion of slow fashion, because I think people are talking about different things. I, too, was interviewed for the CSM article. But I&#039;m not even convinced that &quot;slow fashion&quot; is a useful framework within which to discuss the issues we face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband works in retail. They were told at a meeting a few months ago that the US has something like 20 square feet of retail space per capita. The next country down on the list has something like 3 square feet per capita (Sweden?). That&#8217;s the number that keeps popping into my head when I try to envision the next decade in this country. We&#8217;re in for a long adjustment period. Personally, I think it&#8217;s healthy. But fun, it will not be.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m off to read the slow fashion post. Honestly, I need to see a better discussion of slow fashion, because I think people are talking about different things. I, too, was interviewed for the CSM article. But I&#8217;m not even convinced that &#8220;slow fashion&#8221; is a useful framework within which to discuss the issues we face.</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandra Gutierrez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alessandra Gutierrez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandra- your post reminds me of The Story of Stuff. If you haven&#039;t seen it - it&#039;s a really great video that reinforces what you just experienced. 
http://www.storyofstuff.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandra- your post reminds me of The Story of Stuff. If you haven&#8217;t seen it &#8211; it&#8217;s a really great video that reinforces what you just experienced.<br />
<a href="http://www.storyofstuff.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.storyofstuff.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sandra B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hosted a SwapORamaRama last weekend, and I don&#039;t think I can look at the fashion industry the same way again.  I am now quite sure that most of our clever-pants solutions to the problem of sustainability are no solution at all, and we really need to rethink not just how we produce goods, but also the processes we are willing to accept as inevitable.  Several op shops gave us some of their leftovers, headed for landfill, to use as a &quot;float&quot; for the restyling a SwapoRamaRama involves.  I expected worn out rubbish to strip for parts. We got such things as a handwoven, handtailored tweed suit in perfect condition, designer dresses, and many things with the swing tags still attached.  Then a industrial waste reuse centre who joined in the fun gave me 10 rolls of curtain fabric leftovers, between 2 and 10 metres on each.  They are overstocked and have to send that, and more, to landfill.  Brand new stuff, produced to become landfill.  Our economy is set up to accept that much of our resources, human and physical, are essentially pointless waste producers.  I had a mental image of a person opening and shutting a door endlessly as their gainful employment.  Then a friend pointed out that at the end of the day, the person and the door still exist, and no greenhouse gases were produced or raw materials used up.

I think the only sustainable action is to work out how to reduce all forms of waste, (including inefficiency) and reuse the stuff we have in existence already. Call it fast fashion or slow fashion, ultimately it&#039;s just semantics, and I&#039;ve been wracking my brain trying to think of how, in my tiny way, I can use the efficiencies of &quot;fast fashion&quot; to achieve the sustainability people assume when they hear &quot;slow fashion&quot;.  I know I can no longer accept wastage so casually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hosted a SwapORamaRama last weekend, and I don&#8217;t think I can look at the fashion industry the same way again.  I am now quite sure that most of our clever-pants solutions to the problem of sustainability are no solution at all, and we really need to rethink not just how we produce goods, but also the processes we are willing to accept as inevitable.  Several op shops gave us some of their leftovers, headed for landfill, to use as a &#8220;float&#8221; for the restyling a SwapoRamaRama involves.  I expected worn out rubbish to strip for parts. We got such things as a handwoven, handtailored tweed suit in perfect condition, designer dresses, and many things with the swing tags still attached.  Then a industrial waste reuse centre who joined in the fun gave me 10 rolls of curtain fabric leftovers, between 2 and 10 metres on each.  They are overstocked and have to send that, and more, to landfill.  Brand new stuff, produced to become landfill.  Our economy is set up to accept that much of our resources, human and physical, are essentially pointless waste producers.  I had a mental image of a person opening and shutting a door endlessly as their gainful employment.  Then a friend pointed out that at the end of the day, the person and the door still exist, and no greenhouse gases were produced or raw materials used up.</p>
<p>I think the only sustainable action is to work out how to reduce all forms of waste, (including inefficiency) and reuse the stuff we have in existence already. Call it fast fashion or slow fashion, ultimately it&#8217;s just semantics, and I&#8217;ve been wracking my brain trying to think of how, in my tiny way, I can use the efficiencies of &#8220;fast fashion&#8221; to achieve the sustainability people assume when they hear &#8220;slow fashion&#8221;.  I know I can no longer accept wastage so casually.</p>
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		<title>By: Fashion, Sustainabilty, and Blogs!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fashion, Sustainabilty, and Blogs!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] online journey began with a blog called Fashion Incubator, and an interesting article about &#8217;slow&#8217; and &#8216;fast&#8217; fashion, as well as general expectations in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] online journey began with a blog called Fashion Incubator, and an interesting article about &#8217;slow&#8217; and &#8216;fast&#8217; fashion, as well as general expectations in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Slow vs Fast Fashion pt.1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slow vs Fast Fashion pt.1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] took me to task for the opinions I expressed about slow fashion in my previous entry. I think the key problem with slow fashion is a definition upon which we can all agree. As with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marie-Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie-Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Emily that you aren&#039;t paying attention to the real concepts behind slow food or the ankwardly named slow fashion.  Read up Kathleeen, we know you can do that :-)! 

Seriously, one problem with the concept of sustainable fashion is that everyone assumes it&#039;s deadly dull.  Armies of navy blue suits a la dress for success, tsunamis of khakis and polo shirts..  eeck.  People might feel different about the concept if they could conceive of clothes that fit them well, that truly reflect their personality, made from good-quality fabrics (and interfacing, zippers etc) that really last.  For instance, you could say my coats are slow because well, I have a hard time technically, it takes me forever to cough one up.  But then again I&#039;ve never worn one I made for less than 15 years.  On that scale they look less slow.  And they&#039;re not boring, thank you very much.  

So do I feel put-upon wearing over and over something which I like, which keeps me really warm, which is exactly what I wanted and needed?  No way.  On the opposite, I was really mad in the 80s when I kept making stuff out of rayon and it bit the dust in 2 years.  There is something very comforting about familiar clothes, when they&#039;re really right for you.  Sadly, most young people have never known anything like that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Emily that you aren&#8217;t paying attention to the real concepts behind slow food or the ankwardly named slow fashion.  Read up Kathleeen, we know you can do that <img src='http://www.fashion-incubator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ! </p>
<p>Seriously, one problem with the concept of sustainable fashion is that everyone assumes it&#8217;s deadly dull.  Armies of navy blue suits a la dress for success, tsunamis of khakis and polo shirts..  eeck.  People might feel different about the concept if they could conceive of clothes that fit them well, that truly reflect their personality, made from good-quality fabrics (and interfacing, zippers etc) that really last.  For instance, you could say my coats are slow because well, I have a hard time technically, it takes me forever to cough one up.  But then again I&#8217;ve never worn one I made for less than 15 years.  On that scale they look less slow.  And they&#8217;re not boring, thank you very much.  </p>
<p>So do I feel put-upon wearing over and over something which I like, which keeps me really warm, which is exactly what I wanted and needed?  No way.  On the opposite, I was really mad in the 80s when I kept making stuff out of rayon and it bit the dust in 2 years.  There is something very comforting about familiar clothes, when they&#8217;re really right for you.  Sadly, most young people have never known anything like that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Million</title>
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		<dc:creator>Million</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think in the long-term the North American economy is still headed for BIG trouble, even after we recover from the current slump. Though if we can adapt it doesn&#039;t have to be an view entirely of pessimism. I appreciate you posting about topics related to the economy in such detail, and the fact that what looks green may be skin deep. 

I also enjoyed the comments made by other people on this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think in the long-term the North American economy is still headed for BIG trouble, even after we recover from the current slump. Though if we can adapt it doesn&#8217;t have to be an view entirely of pessimism. I appreciate you posting about topics related to the economy in such detail, and the fact that what looks green may be skin deep. </p>
<p>I also enjoyed the comments made by other people on this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard_C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More about the messy &quot;deep sustainability&quot; for the clothing industry, if you don&#039;t mind.  That is of course as long as it doesn&#039;t involve wearing that awful Nylon 6 or whatever it&#039;s called.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More about the messy &#8220;deep sustainability&#8221; for the clothing industry, if you don&#8217;t mind.  That is of course as long as it doesn&#8217;t involve wearing that awful Nylon 6 or whatever it&#8217;s called.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No tide has turned Michael. A lot of what I put in this post is a rehash of earlier points I&#039;ve made that in light of the current climate were worth another airing. 

You were hammered for repeating (over and over) the points I&#039;d made in the book (that everyone on the forum kept telling you to read) and arguments that I&#039;d made on the blog (which again, everyone posted links to) or previous forum entries (ditto). Case in point is this entry. It&#039;s useful to rehash material if you haven&#039;t read the previous related entries. Most people only read what floats to the top -but that doesn&#039;t mean it hasn&#039;t been said before and it doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;ve somehow come around and seen the light at this late date. You should read some of those entries I wrote in 2006 and 2007 about a recession I thought was looming and most people were too polite to call me crazy. 

You got &quot;hammered&quot; because people didn&#039;t feel you were listening because you didn&#039;t follow up to read the entries they linked to and process it within the context of your often terse statements. I mean, it was great you came to the same conclusions I&#039;d come to, in some cases 12 years earlier and points that several others had also eloquently written previous to your joining us, but you weren&#039;t telling us anything we hadn&#039;t discussed already. We wanted you to move beyond that to tell us something new, with new ideas or a fresh spin to amend what we hadn&#039;t read or written before . Nobody disagreed with your central arguments so it would have been helpful to put a fine point to it (as we asked you to do) in ways that were &lt;b&gt;applicable within the framework of the gamut of experiences&lt;/b&gt;. Anybody can make their way work for themselves. I&#039;m dogmatic enough for both of us; the skill lies in devising solutions that are appropriate for the range of potential scenarios.

Stay tuned for part two. It builds on more ground I&#039;ve already covered (as long as 12 years ago) and that you&#039;ll say you also said last year but that nobody listened to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No tide has turned Michael. A lot of what I put in this post is a rehash of earlier points I&#8217;ve made that in light of the current climate were worth another airing. </p>
<p>You were hammered for repeating (over and over) the points I&#8217;d made in the book (that everyone on the forum kept telling you to read) and arguments that I&#8217;d made on the blog (which again, everyone posted links to) or previous forum entries (ditto). Case in point is this entry. It&#8217;s useful to rehash material if you haven&#8217;t read the previous related entries. Most people only read what floats to the top -but that doesn&#8217;t mean it hasn&#8217;t been said before and it doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;ve somehow come around and seen the light at this late date. You should read some of those entries I wrote in 2006 and 2007 about a recession I thought was looming and most people were too polite to call me crazy. </p>
<p>You got &#8220;hammered&#8221; because people didn&#8217;t feel you were listening because you didn&#8217;t follow up to read the entries they linked to and process it within the context of your often terse statements. I mean, it was great you came to the same conclusions I&#8217;d come to, in some cases 12 years earlier and points that several others had also eloquently written previous to your joining us, but you weren&#8217;t telling us anything we hadn&#8217;t discussed already. We wanted you to move beyond that to tell us something new, with new ideas or a fresh spin to amend what we hadn&#8217;t read or written before . Nobody disagreed with your central arguments so it would have been helpful to put a fine point to it (as we asked you to do) in ways that were <b>applicable within the framework of the gamut of experiences</b>. Anybody can make their way work for themselves. I&#8217;m dogmatic enough for both of us; the skill lies in devising solutions that are appropriate for the range of potential scenarios.</p>
<p>Stay tuned for part two. It builds on more ground I&#8217;ve already covered (as long as 12 years ago) and that you&#8217;ll say you also said last year but that nobody listened to you.</p>
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