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	<title>Comments on: This could only happen in Vegas: Kimberly</title>
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		<title>By: Mark C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, what a story.  It&#039;s funny, sad and scary all at the same time; you never know who you can trust.  Gritty stories like this are definitely a wake up call for the starry-eyed DE heading to Magic Las Vegas, or any other trade show for that matter.

Thanks for sharing!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a story.  It&#8217;s funny, sad and scary all at the same time; you never know who you can trust.  Gritty stories like this are definitely a wake up call for the starry-eyed DE heading to Magic Las Vegas, or any other trade show for that matter.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: ioanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>ioanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go Kathleen! You totally saved Brian. Yey! (my bf says we should get you a cape. I said you could probably make your own! he he)

Anyways when you&#039;re a student it&#039;s very easy to get taken advantage of in any industry, but stuff that has to do with &quot;glamor&quot; (or, perceived as glamor) like fashion or the movie industry usually are the worst.

When I was looking for jobs after college in Hawaii there was an ad for a fashion photographer.
I had a camera and some photography experience, working for the school paper and what not so I thought I&#039;d try out even though I didn&#039;t have any real fashion photography experience. The person I interviewed with (an ex-Miss Hawaii who was now opening her own modeling agency) had no problem with that. She had me do a test shoot with a model hopeful. I had to pay for film (hey, I still haven&#039;t gotten a digital camera, but of course this was back in the 90s!), pay for printing the pictures, hire a make-up artist. After that she flipped through my shots dismissing them all but instead of telling me I wasn&#039;t getting the job at the end she told me to do another test shoot with another model. Things felt iffy so I took my pictures and left, only to see other student-photographers taking pictures of models at the nearby mall (at their own expense no doubt.) The lady was only interested in free labor but I doubt that her business is still around. I mean how many people can you take advantage of and still stay in business? Or is that too naive a question?

A year later working for a fashion website in L.A. I discovered that even test photo shoots are paid and pretty well at that. But when you&#039;re a student no one prepares you to be on the look-out for scam artists. I mean an internship is one thing, but working for a tv show in supposed pre-production when the director runs off to Vegas with all the company&#039;s money, that&#039;s not something you can put on your resume! (that also happened to me in Hawaii!)

Anyway, I realize this wasn&#039;t related to the industry exactly but I had to share! This happens outside of Vegas too! LOL

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Kathleen! You totally saved Brian. Yey! (my bf says we should get you a cape. I said you could probably make your own! he he)</p>
<p>Anyways when you&#8217;re a student it&#8217;s very easy to get taken advantage of in any industry, but stuff that has to do with &#8220;glamor&#8221; (or, perceived as glamor) like fashion or the movie industry usually are the worst.</p>
<p>When I was looking for jobs after college in Hawaii there was an ad for a fashion photographer.<br />
I had a camera and some photography experience, working for the school paper and what not so I thought I&#8217;d try out even though I didn&#8217;t have any real fashion photography experience. The person I interviewed with (an ex-Miss Hawaii who was now opening her own modeling agency) had no problem with that. She had me do a test shoot with a model hopeful. I had to pay for film (hey, I still haven&#8217;t gotten a digital camera, but of course this was back in the 90s!), pay for printing the pictures, hire a make-up artist. After that she flipped through my shots dismissing them all but instead of telling me I wasn&#8217;t getting the job at the end she told me to do another test shoot with another model. Things felt iffy so I took my pictures and left, only to see other student-photographers taking pictures of models at the nearby mall (at their own expense no doubt.) The lady was only interested in free labor but I doubt that her business is still around. I mean how many people can you take advantage of and still stay in business? Or is that too naive a question?</p>
<p>A year later working for a fashion website in L.A. I discovered that even test photo shoots are paid and pretty well at that. But when you&#8217;re a student no one prepares you to be on the look-out for scam artists. I mean an internship is one thing, but working for a tv show in supposed pre-production when the director runs off to Vegas with all the company&#8217;s money, that&#8217;s not something you can put on your resume! (that also happened to me in Hawaii!)</p>
<p>Anyway, I realize this wasn&#8217;t related to the industry exactly but I had to share! This happens outside of Vegas too! LOL</p>
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		<title>By: kim owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another thought I had on this experience...after I read KF&#039;s post on cognitive dissonance, I couldn&#039;t help but think of how I justified my MAGIC experience.  Instead of being upset over someone treating me badly, when I had a gut feeling something was off, I looked back and tried to find the positives in this experience.  Am I guilty of CD?  Attempting to justify my behavior so I don&#039;t look stupid?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought I had on this experience&#8230;after I read KF&#8217;s post on cognitive dissonance, I couldn&#8217;t help but think of how I justified my MAGIC experience.  Instead of being upset over someone treating me badly, when I had a gut feeling something was off, I looked back and tried to find the positives in this experience.  Am I guilty of CD?  Attempting to justify my behavior so I don&#8217;t look stupid?</p>
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		<title>By: kim owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did the model get paid too?  I am glad to hear that.  I didn&#039;t have her contact info, just knew she was in Texas. I haven&#039;t heard from the local tailor, so I&#039;m guessing they are fine with their payment.

Yes, I finally collected my money through Western Union a few days after this was posted.

Kathleen, you are working for squat in terms of dollars, but for sure you are racking up massive amounts of karma.  It may protect you from the yarmulke gang, in the event (heaven forbid!) you ever cross them. The smiley face kippot would make me shiver...those evil eyes mocking me, and that deadly grin...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the model get paid too?  I am glad to hear that.  I didn&#8217;t have her contact info, just knew she was in Texas. I haven&#8217;t heard from the local tailor, so I&#8217;m guessing they are fine with their payment.</p>
<p>Yes, I finally collected my money through Western Union a few days after this was posted.</p>
<p>Kathleen, you are working for squat in terms of dollars, but for sure you are racking up massive amounts of karma.  It may protect you from the yarmulke gang, in the event (heaven forbid!) you ever cross them. The smiley face kippot would make me shiver&#8230;those evil eyes mocking me, and that deadly grin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FYI/BYAM: Eric was looking for an excuse to link to that COOL yarmulkes website he found. I guess the correct name for those is Kippot. They have some really neat happy faced ones and even tie-dyed ones.

I don&#039;t have any enforcers on staff, mostly because they&#039;d want a cut of the action. Since I get zero return from my caped crusades (three hours work on this one), I doubt I can find enforcers willing to work for less than diddley. I&#039;m glad I could help Brian. The model however, didn&#039;t even bother to thank me by phone or email. Somehow, that doesn&#039;t surprise me. ~sigh~
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI/BYAM: Eric was looking for an excuse to link to that COOL yarmulkes website he found. I guess the correct name for those is Kippot. They have some really neat happy faced ones and even tie-dyed ones.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any enforcers on staff, mostly because they&#8217;d want a cut of the action. Since I get zero return from my caped crusades (three hours work on this one), I doubt I can find enforcers willing to work for less than diddley. I&#8217;m glad I could help Brian. The model however, didn&#8217;t even bother to thank me by phone or email. Somehow, that doesn&#8217;t surprise me. ~sigh~</p>
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		<title>By: Eric H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kathleen&#039;s powers of persuasion *may* have required (I&#039;m not saying they did, I&#039;m not saying they didn&#039;t) the assistance of Meyer &quot;Two Fingers&quot; Coen and Barry &quot;Bonds&quot; Lansky (so-called because of the bat he carries), two of the ... er, ... most colorful cutters you hope you will never meet. I say &quot;cutters&quot; because that&#039;s what they call themselves; I&#039;m not entirely sure what their tacit ties to the rag trade are, but &quot;needles&quot; have also come up. Meyer is also well known for his colorful yarmulkes. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.egokippot.com/bulk-yarmulkes.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for example. Let&#039;s just say that people who miss a payment to certain factors may wake up to a tie-dyed skull cap inside their house at 4 AM.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen&#8217;s powers of persuasion *may* have required (I&#8217;m not saying they did, I&#8217;m not saying they didn&#8217;t) the assistance of Meyer &#8220;Two Fingers&#8221; Coen and Barry &#8220;Bonds&#8221; Lansky (so-called because of the bat he carries), two of the &#8230; er, &#8230; most colorful cutters you hope you will never meet. I say &#8220;cutters&#8221; because that&#8217;s what they call themselves; I&#8217;m not entirely sure what their tacit ties to the rag trade are, but &#8220;needles&#8221; have also come up. Meyer is also well known for his colorful yarmulkes. See <a href="http://www.egokippot.com/bulk-yarmulkes.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a> for example. Let&#8217;s just say that people who miss a payment to certain factors may wake up to a tie-dyed skull cap inside their house at 4 AM.</p>
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		<title>By: J C Sprowls</title>
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		<dc:creator>J C Sprowls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just goes to prove it that &lt;i&gt;truth is stranger than fiction&lt;/i&gt;. Goodness! I&#039;m impressed with your powers of persuasion, Kathleen.

RE: Kim&#039;s adventures. It sounds like you extracted a some good out of this experience. All is not lost. Hat&#039;s off to you, though! It&#039;s tough to find the bless in the mess, sometimes. I&#039;m sure there&#039;s more to come out of this, yet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just goes to prove it that <i>truth is stranger than fiction</i>. Goodness! I&#8217;m impressed with your powers of persuasion, Kathleen.</p>
<p>RE: Kim&#8217;s adventures. It sounds like you extracted a some good out of this experience. All is not lost. Hat&#8217;s off to you, though! It&#8217;s tough to find the bless in the mess, sometimes. I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s more to come out of this, yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh my gosh...my heart goes out for Brian! It must have been such a wonderful feeling for you Kathleen when he called to say that he got all of his stuff back (and the money!). I also can&#039;t believe that all of this really happened...what a weird story!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my gosh&#8230;my heart goes out for Brian! It must have been such a wonderful feeling for you Kathleen when he called to say that he got all of his stuff back (and the money!). I also can&#8217;t believe that all of this really happened&#8230;what a weird story!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Bloodgood in Portland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Bloodgood in Portland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am SOOOO glad that Brian got all his stuff back and that everyone got their money.  I was about to cry.  Kathleen, you are so great!!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am SOOOO glad that Brian got all his stuff back and that everyone got their money.  I was about to cry.  Kathleen, you are so great!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: matchstick</title>
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		<dc:creator>matchstick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow - thanks for publishing this cautionary tale.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; thanks for publishing this cautionary tale.</p>
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