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		<title>By: Laura F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I make and sell slippers on a small-time scale and the issue of shoe sizing in the U.S. causes more headaches than it should (I custom make the slippers, and just going by measurements is not enough, I&#039;ve had a size 7 customer and a size 9 customer both present me with the exact same foot measurements--there is more to sizing than just length and width, apparently!) Sizing for &quot;youth&quot; ages is even more confusing than adults. I&#039;ve been trying to figure out what the heck is wrong with U.S. shoe sizing for 2 years, and I think that Kathleen is right about sizing evolution. For one thing, the most accurate chart I&#039;ve found online is in a wikipedia article about shoe sizing systems, and it indicates that in the U.S. there developed a separate sizing system for athletic shoes--I am suspecting that the mysterious shifting sizes you all are observing comes from the athletic shoes&#039; popularity causing a natural evolution toward that sizing scale. Additionally, there was at one time or another two different sizing ranges for &quot;youth,&quot; one for boys and one for girls (much like it is for men and women&#039;s sizes), but based on my customer data and trips to the kids&#039; shoe sections of several stores, it looks like most shoe manufacturer&#039;s are moving away from that gender-differentiated size range for youth (but I inevitably get confused if someone tells me &quot;girl&#039;s size 3&quot;.) The best solution I have found to ensure I make my product to the right size is to get the customer&#039;s European size (I&#039;ve found this especially important with the youth size ranges, since it helps me eliminate the confusion over whether it is a &quot;girls&quot; size or not). Most shoes have tags inside where the Eur. size is listed alongside the supposed U.S. size. I would recommend you look at your shoe tags, see which Eur. size is most common in your collection, and use that to get you in the right ballpark when you shop! As one commenter mentioned, I too have heard from my international customers that sizes differ slightly from country to country using the Euro sizing system, but I find it eliminates the majority of sizing problems for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I make and sell slippers on a small-time scale and the issue of shoe sizing in the U.S. causes more headaches than it should (I custom make the slippers, and just going by measurements is not enough, I&#8217;ve had a size 7 customer and a size 9 customer both present me with the exact same foot measurements&#8211;there is more to sizing than just length and width, apparently!) Sizing for &#8220;youth&#8221; ages is even more confusing than adults. I&#8217;ve been trying to figure out what the heck is wrong with U.S. shoe sizing for 2 years, and I think that Kathleen is right about sizing evolution. For one thing, the most accurate chart I&#8217;ve found online is in a wikipedia article about shoe sizing systems, and it indicates that in the U.S. there developed a separate sizing system for athletic shoes&#8211;I am suspecting that the mysterious shifting sizes you all are observing comes from the athletic shoes&#8217; popularity causing a natural evolution toward that sizing scale. Additionally, there was at one time or another two different sizing ranges for &#8220;youth,&#8221; one for boys and one for girls (much like it is for men and women&#8217;s sizes), but based on my customer data and trips to the kids&#8217; shoe sections of several stores, it looks like most shoe manufacturer&#8217;s are moving away from that gender-differentiated size range for youth (but I inevitably get confused if someone tells me &#8220;girl&#8217;s size 3&#8243;.) The best solution I have found to ensure I make my product to the right size is to get the customer&#8217;s European size (I&#8217;ve found this especially important with the youth size ranges, since it helps me eliminate the confusion over whether it is a &#8220;girls&#8221; size or not). Most shoes have tags inside where the Eur. size is listed alongside the supposed U.S. size. I would recommend you look at your shoe tags, see which Eur. size is most common in your collection, and use that to get you in the right ballpark when you shop! As one commenter mentioned, I too have heard from my international customers that sizes differ slightly from country to country using the Euro sizing system, but I find it eliminates the majority of sizing problems for me.</p>
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		<title>By: The myth of vanity sizing</title>
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		<dc:creator>The myth of vanity sizing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pt 2 The history of women’s sizing pt 3 Sizing is a variety problem The birth of size 10? Vanity sizing shoes Tyranny of tiny sizes pt.2 Vanity sizing: generational edition Vanity sizing: generational edition [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] pt 2 The history of women’s sizing pt 3 Sizing is a variety problem The birth of size 10? Vanity sizing shoes Tyranny of tiny sizes pt.2 Vanity sizing: generational edition Vanity sizing: generational edition [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 06:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I brought this up to my mom just today since my boyfriend bought me size 6 Betsey Johnson&#039;s...and noticed I only seem to take size 6 now...I am 19 and when I was 13-17 I usually wore a size 6.5 xD 
I already can&#039;t fit into the size 00&#039;s or XS&#039;s! &gt;.&gt; At least obesity can&#039;t effect shoe size and luckily I buy high-scale shoes so hopefully...hopefully I don&#039;t have to worry about shoes not fitting either!!! &gt;.&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I brought this up to my mom just today since my boyfriend bought me size 6 Betsey Johnson&#8217;s&#8230;and noticed I only seem to take size 6 now&#8230;I am 19 and when I was 13-17 I usually wore a size 6.5 xD<br />
I already can&#8217;t fit into the size 00&#8217;s or XS&#8217;s! &gt;.&gt; At least obesity can&#8217;t effect shoe size and luckily I buy high-scale shoes so hopefully&#8230;hopefully I don&#8217;t have to worry about shoes not fitting either!!! &gt;.&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: LizPf</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/vanity_sizing_shoes/comment-page-1/#comment-19171</link>
		<dc:creator>LizPf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always had very wide, short feet.

For years, I wore a 6 1/2 D (or a 36 wide Birkenstock). It was very difficult to find shoes that fit -- fortunately, I have no interest in fashionable shoes.

Two pregnancies and quite a few years later, and my feet have grown a bit. My old 6 1/2 D&#039;s are a bit tight; in new shoes I&#039;m a 7 EE. I&#039;m lucky that my town has an old-fashioned shoe store with clerks who know how to fit shoes, and they carry a wide range of sizes. It is still difficult to find shoes that fit, but I can usually find something appropriate.

I believe all my size change is due to me, and not sizing evolution. I have always bought good shoes*, and try to buy from stores that have fitters. So my views are of only a tiny part of the shoe industry. Things could be very different in the mass market shoe business.

* My father, who wore 7 1/2 EEE shoes, taught me to always buy well-fitting shoes, despite the cost. My mom, who was full-figured, taught me to always buy well fitting bras, again despite the cost -- and she taught me how to judge good fit. Because of this advice, I am much perkier than my age-mates and have no foot problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always had very wide, short feet.</p>
<p>For years, I wore a 6 1/2 D (or a 36 wide Birkenstock). It was very difficult to find shoes that fit &#8212; fortunately, I have no interest in fashionable shoes.</p>
<p>Two pregnancies and quite a few years later, and my feet have grown a bit. My old 6 1/2 D&#8217;s are a bit tight; in new shoes I&#8217;m a 7 EE. I&#8217;m lucky that my town has an old-fashioned shoe store with clerks who know how to fit shoes, and they carry a wide range of sizes. It is still difficult to find shoes that fit, but I can usually find something appropriate.</p>
<p>I believe all my size change is due to me, and not sizing evolution. I have always bought good shoes*, and try to buy from stores that have fitters. So my views are of only a tiny part of the shoe industry. Things could be very different in the mass market shoe business.</p>
<p>* My father, who wore 7 1/2 EEE shoes, taught me to always buy well-fitting shoes, despite the cost. My mom, who was full-figured, taught me to always buy well fitting bras, again despite the cost &#8212; and she taught me how to judge good fit. Because of this advice, I am much perkier than my age-mates and have no foot problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Woodson Ofria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise Woodson Ofria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the price range affect sizing? In the last 10 years, my available funds have shrunk, but my shoe size has increased by 2 sizes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the price range affect sizing? In the last 10 years, my available funds have shrunk, but my shoe size has increased by 2 sizes.</p>
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		<title>By: Feral</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok... thought I was losing  my mind - I&#039;ve worn a 7.5 (US) since high school - now, 10 years after graduating from college I&#039;m now a 7 or smaller??   My foot hasn&#039;t changed... oh and even though I am taller, and larger in all dimensions, my clothing size has stayed the same, because of vanity sizing, clothing has grown right along with me... what a freaking joke the women&#039;s fashion industry is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230; thought I was losing  my mind &#8211; I&#8217;ve worn a 7.5 (US) since high school &#8211; now, 10 years after graduating from college I&#8217;m now a 7 or smaller??   My foot hasn&#8217;t changed&#8230; oh and even though I am taller, and larger in all dimensions, my clothing size has stayed the same, because of vanity sizing, clothing has grown right along with me&#8230; what a freaking joke the women&#8217;s fashion industry is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Juno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to wear a women&#039;s 12, and a European 43 (more or less, there&#039;s always some variation) and now I don&#039;t know what I wear.  I&#039;ve been having some foot trouble this summer, and ordered a selection of 13s to see if I had just been wearing my shoes too tight.

One pair of flats was fully a size too small (that brand I think runs that way); one was too narrow to get on my foot, but also too long; and one sorta fit, but was too loose in the heel.
The point toed heels actually fit pretty well in the foot, but the instep strap was so loose I could fit four fingers under it.
The sandals were so narrow they distorted my foot to even try them on, the sneakers rattled around on my feet, and the sporty mary janes as well.

Obviously part of this is that 13s are not my size - I suspect I am a 12.5 these days which would be great if there was any such thing.  But not one of these 7 pairs of shoes came close to being the same size as each other much less the right size for me.

And it has seemed to have gotten more prevalent this last year.  For larger feet there really wasn&#039;t much available until the last 6 or 7 years and that&#039;s changing now.  I had one shop tell me that the standard women&#039;s lasts only go up to a 10.5 and so anything above that has been developed piecemeal from mens lasts and individual circumstance.   No consistent grading or development.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to wear a women&#8217;s 12, and a European 43 (more or less, there&#8217;s always some variation) and now I don&#8217;t know what I wear.  I&#8217;ve been having some foot trouble this summer, and ordered a selection of 13s to see if I had just been wearing my shoes too tight.</p>
<p>One pair of flats was fully a size too small (that brand I think runs that way); one was too narrow to get on my foot, but also too long; and one sorta fit, but was too loose in the heel.<br />
The point toed heels actually fit pretty well in the foot, but the instep strap was so loose I could fit four fingers under it.<br />
The sandals were so narrow they distorted my foot to even try them on, the sneakers rattled around on my feet, and the sporty mary janes as well.</p>
<p>Obviously part of this is that 13s are not my size &#8211; I suspect I am a 12.5 these days which would be great if there was any such thing.  But not one of these 7 pairs of shoes came close to being the same size as each other much less the right size for me.</p>
<p>And it has seemed to have gotten more prevalent this last year.  For larger feet there really wasn&#8217;t much available until the last 6 or 7 years and that&#8217;s changing now.  I had one shop tell me that the standard women&#8217;s lasts only go up to a 10.5 and so anything above that has been developed piecemeal from mens lasts and individual circumstance.   No consistent grading or development.</p>
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		<title>By: WoofWoof</title>
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		<dc:creator>WoofWoof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday I went shoe shopping and as usual as of late, I could barely fit my feet into most size 5 shoes. So today I googled &quot;vanity sizing shoes&quot; and found this blog. I am glad that I found it, as I no longer have to wonder whether I am shrinking or going insane. This blog is getting bookmarked!

I feel most of you guy&#039;s frustration; just a decade ago, I could still wear sizes up to 5.5. Now, a size 5 is too big most of the time. And as a shoe fanatic, that bothers me twice as much as perhaps those of you who see shoes in a functional manner.

Maybe this little tip will help someone: What I do if a shoe that I buy fits just a little big is to add a comfort insole designed for the ball of the fit, and that usually helps keep my feet inside the shoes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I went shoe shopping and as usual as of late, I could barely fit my feet into most size 5 shoes. So today I googled &#8220;vanity sizing shoes&#8221; and found this blog. I am glad that I found it, as I no longer have to wonder whether I am shrinking or going insane. This blog is getting bookmarked!</p>
<p>I feel most of you guy&#8217;s frustration; just a decade ago, I could still wear sizes up to 5.5. Now, a size 5 is too big most of the time. And as a shoe fanatic, that bothers me twice as much as perhaps those of you who see shoes in a functional manner.</p>
<p>Maybe this little tip will help someone: What I do if a shoe that I buy fits just a little big is to add a comfort insole designed for the ball of the fit, and that usually helps keep my feet inside the shoes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the 1990&#039;s I wore a size 10 then a size 11 (since 10.5 isn&#039;t a real size apparently) The size 10 shoes touched the tips of my toes.

Now if I buy an 11 I more or less walk right out of it and can fit into alot of size 10&#039;s.

Also I think width is becoming vanity sized.  My grandfather&#039;s old shoe store foot measure from the 1960&#039;s says my foot is a medium.  Yet if I buy an off-the-rack medium shoe it&#039;s ridiculously wide on my foot and ludicrous for my narrow heel.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 1990&#8217;s I wore a size 10 then a size 11 (since 10.5 isn&#8217;t a real size apparently) The size 10 shoes touched the tips of my toes.</p>
<p>Now if I buy an 11 I more or less walk right out of it and can fit into alot of size 10&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Also I think width is becoming vanity sized.  My grandfather&#8217;s old shoe store foot measure from the 1960&#8217;s says my foot is a medium.  Yet if I buy an off-the-rack medium shoe it&#8217;s ridiculously wide on my foot and ludicrous for my narrow heel.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Bronwynn Copp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Bronwynn Copp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the same complaints. I am 36 and remember in High School being able to find size 5 shoes for the prom. 10 years after that I went to a shoe store in the mall and the young worker in the store told me that size 5 shoes don&#039;t exist and never have! I tried to prove she was wrong but she would have none of it.

I also phoned a couple of common catalog companies that ALWAYS had size 5 and 5 1/2 (I am somewhere in-between) and asked why they had stopped offering size 5, 5 1/2 and 6 shoes. They told me that it was because it wasn&#039;t worth it financially to produce these shoes in mass quantities. So it seems like a factory issue. To keep prices down shoe orders from the store to the manufacturer are place in even higher quantities and small and large shoes sizes are not financially feasible to produce. It is not as if small and large feet went extinct, it is a money and mass box store type issue.

The only recourse is to complain and petition your favorite companies to add back these sizes (even at higher prices).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the same complaints. I am 36 and remember in High School being able to find size 5 shoes for the prom. 10 years after that I went to a shoe store in the mall and the young worker in the store told me that size 5 shoes don&#8217;t exist and never have! I tried to prove she was wrong but she would have none of it.</p>
<p>I also phoned a couple of common catalog companies that ALWAYS had size 5 and 5 1/2 (I am somewhere in-between) and asked why they had stopped offering size 5, 5 1/2 and 6 shoes. They told me that it was because it wasn&#8217;t worth it financially to produce these shoes in mass quantities. So it seems like a factory issue. To keep prices down shoe orders from the store to the manufacturer are place in even higher quantities and small and large shoes sizes are not financially feasible to produce. It is not as if small and large feet went extinct, it is a money and mass box store type issue.</p>
<p>The only recourse is to complain and petition your favorite companies to add back these sizes (even at higher prices).</p>
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