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		<title>By: Anir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Salvation Army near me sell Target rejects. I wonder if they also distribute the goods to their clients?
Thanks for such an informative post Kathy R. Please don&#039;t be shy about posting info like this we can all use.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Salvation Army near me sell Target rejects. I wonder if they also distribute the goods to their clients?<br />
Thanks for such an informative post Kathy R. Please don&#8217;t be shy about posting info like this we can all use.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m posting this comment I received from Kathy R via email. I asked her to post it and she said she would but it&#039;s been since the 23rd and she hasn&#039;t gotten around to it. Here&#039;s Kathy&#039;s comment.
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I just read the post on FI and thought I’d give you a point of view from outside your industry --- my background is accounting, 30 years as a CPA, an auditor, business analyst and advisor to companies in various stages of development.  I didn’t want to post on FI since I’m not part of the trade, but I have a couple of points I’d like to share.



Employee discounts are a good thing for all the reasons your contributors mentioned.  There is a point on the price scale that is a win/win with the employee being treated better than the best customer, and the employer being compensated a fair value for the out of pocket cost of production.



Selling at cost is too generous because in most cases cost is understated – very few companies have full absorption costing; selling below stated cost does not provide adequate reward for the risk associated with running the business.  Your example of product liability issues is a perfect example of a cost related to the product but not included in the “cost” of item.  The goal should be to make the employee feel special and treating them better than the best customer by offering product at less than the wholesale price certainly does that; the right price is somewhere greater than manufacturing cost but less than wholesale.   The benefit to the employee is equal to the opportunity cost of selling the item to a customer for full wholesale or to the employee for discounted wholesale without costing the employer anything out of pocket.



Seconds are a problem for any business with very few options – diverters will take the merchandise and you may have some control over how it is sold, but a better option is to offer it to an informed group of consumers who can judge the quality and make an informed decision to buy….your employees.  They will know that they are getting seconds, understand the reason for the downgraded status and more than likely be happy to have an opportunity to buy at a good price.   You may chose to sell seconds to employees below wholesale and below the discounted wholesale you offer to employees for first line goods but you don’t need to discount below diverter price since diverter pricing usually entails buying large lots of mixed goods.   Employees can be given first choice of QC failures so that they get the best of the rejects.



One final thought – the tax code allows a charitable deduction for the cost of goods given to a qualified charitable organization.  However, if the company manufactures the product and provides it to a charitable organization that uses the goods in their charitable work, the donor is allowed to deduct the cost plus ½ the gross profit that would have been earned.  This is not a common deduction, but it is legal.  For example, if we have a clothing manufacturer who donates to the Salvation Army product with a cost of $1000 and a normal wholesale price of $1900 and the Salvation Army sells the clothing in their store, the deduction would be equal to the cost or $1000.  On the other hand, if the SA distributes the clothing through a homeless shelter to needy recipients of their services, the deduction would be $1450.   Giving to charity is a good thing, and if you can find a charity that needs your product to perform their charitable services, you have an ideal match.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m posting this comment I received from Kathy R via email. I asked her to post it and she said she would but it&#8217;s been since the 23rd and she hasn&#8217;t gotten around to it. Here&#8217;s Kathy&#8217;s comment.<br />
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I just read the post on FI and thought I’d give you a point of view from outside your industry &#8212; my background is accounting, 30 years as a CPA, an auditor, business analyst and advisor to companies in various stages of development.  I didn’t want to post on FI since I’m not part of the trade, but I have a couple of points I’d like to share.</p>
<p>Employee discounts are a good thing for all the reasons your contributors mentioned.  There is a point on the price scale that is a win/win with the employee being treated better than the best customer, and the employer being compensated a fair value for the out of pocket cost of production.</p>
<p>Selling at cost is too generous because in most cases cost is understated – very few companies have full absorption costing; selling below stated cost does not provide adequate reward for the risk associated with running the business.  Your example of product liability issues is a perfect example of a cost related to the product but not included in the “cost” of item.  The goal should be to make the employee feel special and treating them better than the best customer by offering product at less than the wholesale price certainly does that; the right price is somewhere greater than manufacturing cost but less than wholesale.   The benefit to the employee is equal to the opportunity cost of selling the item to a customer for full wholesale or to the employee for discounted wholesale without costing the employer anything out of pocket.</p>
<p>Seconds are a problem for any business with very few options – diverters will take the merchandise and you may have some control over how it is sold, but a better option is to offer it to an informed group of consumers who can judge the quality and make an informed decision to buy….your employees.  They will know that they are getting seconds, understand the reason for the downgraded status and more than likely be happy to have an opportunity to buy at a good price.   You may chose to sell seconds to employees below wholesale and below the discounted wholesale you offer to employees for first line goods but you don’t need to discount below diverter price since diverter pricing usually entails buying large lots of mixed goods.   Employees can be given first choice of QC failures so that they get the best of the rejects.</p>
<p>One final thought – the tax code allows a charitable deduction for the cost of goods given to a qualified charitable organization.  However, if the company manufactures the product and provides it to a charitable organization that uses the goods in their charitable work, the donor is allowed to deduct the cost plus ½ the gross profit that would have been earned.  This is not a common deduction, but it is legal.  For example, if we have a clothing manufacturer who donates to the Salvation Army product with a cost of $1000 and a normal wholesale price of $1900 and the Salvation Army sells the clothing in their store, the deduction would be equal to the cost or $1000.  On the other hand, if the SA distributes the clothing through a homeless shelter to needy recipients of their services, the deduction would be $1450.   Giving to charity is a good thing, and if you can find a charity that needs your product to perform their charitable services, you have an ideal match.</p>
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		<title>By: J C Sprowls</title>
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		<dc:creator>J C Sprowls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do like the side benefit of being enviro friendly. But, that&#039;s not my primary compunction. To an employee that uses public transit, a bus pass is highly valued. It&#039;s a matter of making the reward meaningful.

To go with that: I think it&#039;s important to personally distribute awards to each employee, look them in the eye and say &#039;thank you&#039;. I don&#039;t believe in a monthly feel-good ceremony where everyone gets an award for being a human being. Yuk! I find it much more effective to walk up to the person&#039;s workspace, in plain sight, and make it known that their contribution is appreciated.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do like the side benefit of being enviro friendly. But, that&#8217;s not my primary compunction. To an employee that uses public transit, a bus pass is highly valued. It&#8217;s a matter of making the reward meaningful.</p>
<p>To go with that: I think it&#8217;s important to personally distribute awards to each employee, look them in the eye and say &#8216;thank you&#8217;. I don&#8217;t believe in a monthly feel-good ceremony where everyone gets an award for being a human being. Yuk! I find it much more effective to walk up to the person&#8217;s workspace, in plain sight, and make it known that their contribution is appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Babette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Babette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JC - I love the idea of rewarding employees with a bus pass.  It&#039;s good for the environment too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JC &#8211; I love the idea of rewarding employees with a bus pass.  It&#8217;s good for the environment too.</p>
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		<title>By: J C Sprowls</title>
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		<dc:creator>J C Sprowls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, I think Milena&#039;s reference makes the most sense for me, because it appeals on many levels. It&#039;s not without flaws, though. I mean, how many people wouldn&#039;t deliberately FUBAR once in a while if it meant they could guarantee a freebie in the size they wanted? Still... as long as the amount of seconds were within tolerance, I see no compelling reason to over-manage it.

A safeguard against questionable behavior, though, is to provide the teams with weekly incentives for improvements to the QC scores. For example: if a pod reduces the defect rate from 4% to 3% on a given product type, reward everyone in the pod $50, a gas card or a monthly bus pass. Don&#039;t forget to reward the QC person, too - we want to keep them honest.

In some manufacturing facilities (e.g. Samuelsohnn) the brand label isn&#039;t sewn into the garment until after QC. In this particular example, the order of operations (i.e. ops model) supports the sorting process for 1st and 2nd quality garments just prior to labeling and shipping.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think Milena&#8217;s reference makes the most sense for me, because it appeals on many levels. It&#8217;s not without flaws, though. I mean, how many people wouldn&#8217;t deliberately FUBAR once in a while if it meant they could guarantee a freebie in the size they wanted? Still&#8230; as long as the amount of seconds were within tolerance, I see no compelling reason to over-manage it.</p>
<p>A safeguard against questionable behavior, though, is to provide the teams with weekly incentives for improvements to the QC scores. For example: if a pod reduces the defect rate from 4% to 3% on a given product type, reward everyone in the pod $50, a gas card or a monthly bus pass. Don&#8217;t forget to reward the QC person, too &#8211; we want to keep them honest.</p>
<p>In some manufacturing facilities (e.g. Samuelsohnn) the brand label isn&#8217;t sewn into the garment until after QC. In this particular example, the order of operations (i.e. ops model) supports the sorting process for 1st and 2nd quality garments just prior to labeling and shipping.</p>
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		<title>By: Milena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My brother works for a huge yoga wear company, and he told me that they don&#039;t allow employees to take any seconds out the door.  If by any chance someone really wants to wear them, the logo has to be eliminated somehow and the tags taken out.  They also don&#039;t charge their employees any money for these.  Basically they want no association with defects and low quality.
Sounds like a good policy to me with regard to seconds... it also instills a quality standard with employees, and I think they will in turn regard the products and company with more respect.  I know it certainly worked with my brother.  He was given a new women&#039;s sweatshirt that had a slightly malfunctioning zipper, which he was going to cut up and use the material to sew something else... I asked if he would just give it to me to wear instead, and he refused unless I consented to have the logo mutilated.  And I was like, &quot;aw, come on, no one would know!&quot;  But he was very adamant, and I was surprised by how well their company training was working on him.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother works for a huge yoga wear company, and he told me that they don&#8217;t allow employees to take any seconds out the door.  If by any chance someone really wants to wear them, the logo has to be eliminated somehow and the tags taken out.  They also don&#8217;t charge their employees any money for these.  Basically they want no association with defects and low quality.<br />
Sounds like a good policy to me with regard to seconds&#8230; it also instills a quality standard with employees, and I think they will in turn regard the products and company with more respect.  I know it certainly worked with my brother.  He was given a new women&#8217;s sweatshirt that had a slightly malfunctioning zipper, which he was going to cut up and use the material to sew something else&#8230; I asked if he would just give it to me to wear instead, and he refused unless I consented to have the logo mutilated.  And I was like, &#8220;aw, come on, no one would know!&#8221;  But he was very adamant, and I was surprised by how well their company training was working on him.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am in agreement with Alan. Give big discounts, however I feel that limits of purchase are important. Also, it would be nice to have an agreement to not sell on eBay. I hate eBay&#039;s policies over all and just sell junk without my lable on it. It is better to black out lables on 2nd&#039;s and samples, so people know in resale that it is not 1st quality, to save the company&#039;s reputation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in agreement with Alan. Give big discounts, however I feel that limits of purchase are important. Also, it would be nice to have an agreement to not sell on eBay. I hate eBay&#8217;s policies over all and just sell junk without my lable on it. It is better to black out lables on 2nd&#8217;s and samples, so people know in resale that it is not 1st quality, to save the company&#8217;s reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard_C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about first at cost and a limit for the next 3-5 at 50% retail?  The first assumed for personal use, and a limit possible resale abuses.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about first at cost and a limit for the next 3-5 at 50% retail?  The first assumed for personal use, and a limit possible resale abuses.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our policy is to sell to employees and employees of contractors at 50% off wholesale.  I like our employees to use our products, it says their proud to be a part of the company.  Second, it basically eliminates employee theft because the risk is too high for such a small monetary benefit. &quot;Might as well pay $20 for a beautiful kids coat than get fired over one Andrew Jackson.  Heck, the pre-tickets we put on show it retails for $100.&quot; We ask that employees only buy for their personal use or for gifts and if the program is abused it is a cause for disciplinary action.  I find that a handful of employees love the program (I swear one grandmother only works for me so she can buy the clothes!)  I think if voice your concern about re-selling, people will respect your wishes and thank you for generosity. As for seconds, we sell to employees at 75% off wholesale for personal use or employees can make in kind donations to charity like food and homeless shelters and churches. The donations really empower employees and make me feel good!  Good luck, this was a great question.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our policy is to sell to employees and employees of contractors at 50% off wholesale.  I like our employees to use our products, it says their proud to be a part of the company.  Second, it basically eliminates employee theft because the risk is too high for such a small monetary benefit. &#8220;Might as well pay $20 for a beautiful kids coat than get fired over one Andrew Jackson.  Heck, the pre-tickets we put on show it retails for $100.&#8221; We ask that employees only buy for their personal use or for gifts and if the program is abused it is a cause for disciplinary action.  I find that a handful of employees love the program (I swear one grandmother only works for me so she can buy the clothes!)  I think if voice your concern about re-selling, people will respect your wishes and thank you for generosity. As for seconds, we sell to employees at 75% off wholesale for personal use or employees can make in kind donations to charity like food and homeless shelters and churches. The donations really empower employees and make me feel good!  Good luck, this was a great question.</p>
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		<title>By: av</title>
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		<dc:creator>av</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would really look at why they are interested.  Is it possible the employees can turn around and sell the items on ebay for a large profit?  That may be the real reason there is interest in the product.  Especially if it is a specialized item.

If not, I would give a deep discount but limit the quantities per person.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would really look at why they are interested.  Is it possible the employees can turn around and sell the items on ebay for a large profit?  That may be the real reason there is interest in the product.  Especially if it is a specialized item.</p>
<p>If not, I would give a deep discount but limit the quantities per person.</p>
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