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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It blows my mind that someone would continue no styles at all. If I buy an item (especially pants) that fits very well, I go back to that line expecting to buy the same style, same size and have it fit just as well. If I cannot, I am frustrated as a consumer and probably will not return to that line looking for substitutes for the original wonderful item.

As a student of engineering I am also frustrated by this practice. New, unnecessary patterns result in muda: reduplication of efforts, knowledge disconnection (learned "how to make a pant" last season), material waste, skill waste, and so on. To implement inherently wasteful policies is silly.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It blows my mind that someone would continue no styles at all. If I buy an item (especially pants) that fits very well, I go back to that line expecting to buy the same style, same size and have it fit just as well. If I cannot, I am frustrated as a consumer and probably will not return to that line looking for substitutes for the original wonderful item.</p>
<p>As a student of engineering I am also frustrated by this practice. New, unnecessary patterns result in muda: reduplication of efforts, knowledge disconnection (learned &#8220;how to make a pant&#8221; last season), material waste, skill waste, and so on. To implement inherently wasteful policies is silly.</p>
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		<title>By: D.G.</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/who_do_you_hang_with_pt3/#comment-7245</link>
		<dc:creator>D.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for a women's wear line that has been in business for over 25 years and this is exactly how we operate.  The same styles are produced year after year (with slight variations and new styles added here and there), but the colorways and fabrics vary greatly from collection to collection.  A lot of the interest comes from hand-made or unusual textiles.  Clients are loyal because they know what pieces work for them, but they're also excited by what new fabrics and colors are available.  Pieces from this season easily mix with pieces from previous seasons because the styles are the same.  Interestingly, the designer started out as an artist, and I don't think that her line is any less creative or artistic just because her styles are consistent.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a women&#8217;s wear line that has been in business for over 25 years and this is exactly how we operate.  The same styles are produced year after year (with slight variations and new styles added here and there), but the colorways and fabrics vary greatly from collection to collection.  A lot of the interest comes from hand-made or unusual textiles.  Clients are loyal because they know what pieces work for them, but they&#8217;re also excited by what new fabrics and colors are available.  Pieces from this season easily mix with pieces from previous seasons because the styles are the same.  Interestingly, the designer started out as an artist, and I don&#8217;t think that her line is any less creative or artistic just because her styles are consistent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/who_do_you_hang_with_pt3/#comment-7244</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 01:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for explaining, Miracle!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for explaining, Miracle!</p>
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		<title>By: Miracle</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/who_do_you_hang_with_pt3/#comment-7243</link>
		<dc:creator>Miracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So, what about stores like Anthropology? The whole premise of the store is one-of-a-kind pieces that are from all different designers... I suppose they have a few things that mix together, but they don't seem too big on it?&lt;/i&gt;

The store may be different in different regions, but in the ones I have been to (SF, Bay Area, LA), I would hardly call Anthropologie a one of a kind retailer. I think their mix is rather ecclectic. But I have not yet seen one of a kind apparel items (their furniture is one of a kind). Also, their items do mix together, just not in a brown pants, brown print top kind of way.

Having said that, Anthropologie is an established retailer that carries both other lines and several lines that they own. As a retailer, they don't have to worry about pleasing a store buyer (a middle man), and as an established, well branded retailer, they have created a niche that an upstarting DE often can't afford to attempt.

Anthropologie has a line called Free People that they do sell to other retailers. The line does cross merchandise, though not in the brown pants, brown print top sort of way (as I have said before). Or better yet, I should say, they don't cross merchandise like the GAP where the pairings are obvious, but the store is for people who have more of an "out of the box" way of piecing items together.

Now, if you're a DE and you have identified that you "hang" with Anthropologie, please keep in mind that many of the brands they carry are very well merchandised, the Anthropologie buyers are putting together that look that you see. So just because the store is eclectic, doesn't necessarily mean that all the individual lines are.

A few years ago, they used to carry Michael Stars tees (don't know if they still do and don't know if that was regional). Michael Stars was a very basic sportswear line made of mostly cotton knits, basic colors, available across the line. But when you got into Anthropologie, they had certain colors, certain trim, blended it in with their merchandising...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So, what about stores like Anthropology? The whole premise of the store is one-of-a-kind pieces that are from all different designers&#8230; I suppose they have a few things that mix together, but they don&#8217;t seem too big on it?</i></p>
<p>The store may be different in different regions, but in the ones I have been to (SF, Bay Area, LA), I would hardly call Anthropologie a one of a kind retailer. I think their mix is rather ecclectic. But I have not yet seen one of a kind apparel items (their furniture is one of a kind). Also, their items do mix together, just not in a brown pants, brown print top kind of way.</p>
<p>Having said that, Anthropologie is an established retailer that carries both other lines and several lines that they own. As a retailer, they don&#8217;t have to worry about pleasing a store buyer (a middle man), and as an established, well branded retailer, they have created a niche that an upstarting DE often can&#8217;t afford to attempt.</p>
<p>Anthropologie has a line called Free People that they do sell to other retailers. The line does cross merchandise, though not in the brown pants, brown print top sort of way (as I have said before). Or better yet, I should say, they don&#8217;t cross merchandise like the GAP where the pairings are obvious, but the store is for people who have more of an &#8220;out of the box&#8221; way of piecing items together.</p>
<p>Now, if you&#8217;re a DE and you have identified that you &#8220;hang&#8221; with Anthropologie, please keep in mind that many of the brands they carry are very well merchandised, the Anthropologie buyers are putting together that look that you see. So just because the store is eclectic, doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that all the individual lines are.</p>
<p>A few years ago, they used to carry Michael Stars tees (don&#8217;t know if they still do and don&#8217;t know if that was regional). Michael Stars was a very basic sportswear line made of mostly cotton knits, basic colors, available across the line. But when you got into Anthropologie, they had certain colors, certain trim, blended it in with their merchandising&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Esther</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/who_do_you_hang_with_pt3/#comment-7242</link>
		<dc:creator>Esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This concept is especially true in children's clothing (specifically girl's special occasion). I have seen the same dress sold for the last 10 years. The only difference is a new fabric or color is introduced. The patterns are essentially the same. I have made these dresses so often I could make them in my sleep!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This concept is especially true in children&#8217;s clothing (specifically girl&#8217;s special occasion). I have seen the same dress sold for the last 10 years. The only difference is a new fabric or color is introduced. The patterns are essentially the same. I have made these dresses so often I could make them in my sleep!</p>
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		<title>By: marissa v.</title>
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		<dc:creator>marissa v.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding why designers don't put pockets in pants anymore - it's because it's impossible to find manufacturers onshore who will do pants with all the bells and whistles for a reasonable price! &lt;br /&gt;

I put pockets (usually front side pockets and a single welt back pocket) in ALL my pants.  My quantities are small (around 50 per style) so I have to get the stuff made in the UK rather than offshore.  The result is that the manufacturing price is so high I hardly sell any of them wholesale, I pretty much only sell my pants direct to consumers.  &lt;br /&gt;

In the manufacturing markets I am familiar with, the UK and Los Angeles, it is so easy to find factories that do jersey and extremely hard to find ones that do wovens especially pants - I have been repeatedly advised to get a tailor (like off Savile Row!) but have a hard time believing that would be any less expensive.&lt;br /&gt;

I find it quite upsetting as I consider myself a far stronger pant designer (and enjoy it more) than tops.  And I strongly believe women neglect their bottom halves and need exciting pants designers!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding why designers don&#8217;t put pockets in pants anymore - it&#8217;s because it&#8217;s impossible to find manufacturers onshore who will do pants with all the bells and whistles for a reasonable price! </p>
<p>I put pockets (usually front side pockets and a single welt back pocket) in ALL my pants.  My quantities are small (around 50 per style) so I have to get the stuff made in the UK rather than offshore.  The result is that the manufacturing price is so high I hardly sell any of them wholesale, I pretty much only sell my pants direct to consumers.  </p>
<p>In the manufacturing markets I am familiar with, the UK and Los Angeles, it is so easy to find factories that do jersey and extremely hard to find ones that do wovens especially pants - I have been repeatedly advised to get a tailor (like off Savile Row!) but have a hard time believing that would be any less expensive.</p>
<p>I find it quite upsetting as I consider myself a far stronger pant designer (and enjoy it more) than tops.  And I strongly believe women neglect their bottom halves and need exciting pants designers!</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what about stores like Anthropology? The whole premise of the store is one-of-a-kind pieces that are from all different designers... I suppose they have a few things that mix together, but they don't seem too big on it? (Maybe I'm just slow - I can't seem to match anything from that store unless they show me how to!) If that is the vibe of who you want to "hang with", then do you still design peices with the concepts listed above? Or is it ok to do more one-of-a-'s? It seems like it would be better to follow the merchandising idea from a production standpoint, and a flagship store standpoint, but what about the Anthropology Artsy Farsty Boutique thing?  Is the question more what designer do you want to hang with vs what boutique? Am I totally missing the point? What are your thoughts?? (please be nice, this is my first ever comment and I am a tad nervous)

p.s. Thanks, Kathleen for having all the discussions you do. You are a walking library of information, and I so appreciate being allowed a part in it!!!! My Birthday was on the 12th. I don't feel any older. Do you?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what about stores like Anthropology? The whole premise of the store is one-of-a-kind pieces that are from all different designers&#8230; I suppose they have a few things that mix together, but they don&#8217;t seem too big on it? (Maybe I&#8217;m just slow - I can&#8217;t seem to match anything from that store unless they show me how to!) If that is the vibe of who you want to &#8220;hang with&#8221;, then do you still design peices with the concepts listed above? Or is it ok to do more one-of-a-&#8217;s? It seems like it would be better to follow the merchandising idea from a production standpoint, and a flagship store standpoint, but what about the Anthropology Artsy Farsty Boutique thing?  Is the question more what designer do you want to hang with vs what boutique? Am I totally missing the point? What are your thoughts?? (please be nice, this is my first ever comment and I am a tad nervous)</p>
<p>p.s. Thanks, Kathleen for having all the discussions you do. You are a walking library of information, and I so appreciate being allowed a part in it!!!! My Birthday was on the 12th. I don&#8217;t feel any older. Do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Bloodgood</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/who_do_you_hang_with_pt3/#comment-7239</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Bloodgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have 2 items:

1.  I went to Old Navy 2 years ago to check out what they had (they were fairly new here).  I got 2 lower-calf-length, drawstring waist, bias-cut linen skirts with a ruffle at the hem, 2 or 3 horizontal pin tucks above that, and a ruched strip sewn down the center above that.  One is tan and the other is a bright light orange.  When I went back to get more later, they were gone and last year they didn't have that skirt at all.  I thought that was really stupid and frustrating because they look classic and pretty, even though the ruffle and strip have raw edges.  They even came in black, white, and some other colors.  I would have bought more.

2.  I'm working on 2 groups of 5 dresses, ostensibly for Portland Fashion Week in October.  The styles are all similar enough to look like they're a collection and they're all the same fabric (within each group).  Should I keep them the same color and vary the trim color?  Or, since they'd be in a fashion show, would it matter?

(The details: one group is this: the shell is satin ribbons sewn vertically or diagonally, depending on the dress, lined with silk organza, and they're all around knee length and sleeveless. The other group is this: knee length dresses with sleeves in dark colors trimmed with feather fringe.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 2 items:</p>
<p>1.  I went to Old Navy 2 years ago to check out what they had (they were fairly new here).  I got 2 lower-calf-length, drawstring waist, bias-cut linen skirts with a ruffle at the hem, 2 or 3 horizontal pin tucks above that, and a ruched strip sewn down the center above that.  One is tan and the other is a bright light orange.  When I went back to get more later, they were gone and last year they didn&#8217;t have that skirt at all.  I thought that was really stupid and frustrating because they look classic and pretty, even though the ruffle and strip have raw edges.  They even came in black, white, and some other colors.  I would have bought more.</p>
<p>2.  I&#8217;m working on 2 groups of 5 dresses, ostensibly for Portland Fashion Week in October.  The styles are all similar enough to look like they&#8217;re a collection and they&#8217;re all the same fabric (within each group).  Should I keep them the same color and vary the trim color?  Or, since they&#8217;d be in a fashion show, would it matter?</p>
<p>(The details: one group is this: the shell is satin ribbons sewn vertically or diagonally, depending on the dress, lined with silk organza, and they&#8217;re all around knee length and sleeveless. The other group is this: knee length dresses with sleeves in dark colors trimmed with feather fringe.)</p>
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		<title>By: J C Sprowls</title>
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		<dc:creator>J C Sprowls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Like failing to test your fabrics for shrinkage and performance.&lt;/i&gt;
HUGE issue for me. I've noticed that more RTW brands are foregoing many of the testing processes and substituting goods (I haven't decided if they're necessarily inferior - but, they sure do shrink a lot more than I think should be acceptable).

What I think might be happening is that these established brands are using blocks that have been proven year-after-year. But, they're outsourcing a greater share of their production and using inputs local to the facility.

On the surface, it looks lean. But they failed on the implementation, so it's "lame". The Consumer is getting screwed because the fabric properties changed; but, the block haven't.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Like failing to test your fabrics for shrinkage and performance.</i><br />
HUGE issue for me. I&#8217;ve noticed that more RTW brands are foregoing many of the testing processes and substituting goods (I haven&#8217;t decided if they&#8217;re necessarily inferior - but, they sure do shrink a lot more than I think should be acceptable).</p>
<p>What I think might be happening is that these established brands are using blocks that have been proven year-after-year. But, they&#8217;re outsourcing a greater share of their production and using inputs local to the facility.</p>
<p>On the surface, it looks lean. But they failed on the implementation, so it&#8217;s &#8220;lame&#8221;. The Consumer is getting screwed because the fabric properties changed; but, the block haven&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting discussion, do you think it also applies to children's wear?  We designed some styles last year that did well and this year were going to use the same patterns with different fabrics.  My designer wanted to create several new styles.  So for any children's wear designers out there do you think these same principals apply?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting discussion, do you think it also applies to children&#8217;s wear?  We designed some styles last year that did well and this year were going to use the same patterns with different fabrics.  My designer wanted to create several new styles.  So for any children&#8217;s wear designers out there do you think these same principals apply?</p>
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