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		<title>By: LizPf</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/woats/comment-page-1/#comment-18154</link>
		<dc:creator>LizPf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a GWOAT for a few years, putting my graphic art (and some carefully selected Robert Heinlein quotes) on t-shirts and other products, but I would **NEVER** call myself a fashion designer or DE. When I wear that hat, I&#039;m a graphic artist, having my work printed on cloth objects. [Besides, my target customer tends to run screaming from the word &quot;fashion&quot;.] G/WOATS who think they are making fashion or style are just plain silly.

I&#039;m visiting this blog because I am a home sewer looking for ways to make the stuff I sew less difficult and better fitting. I&#039;m reading back posts because I think Kathleen is cool, and she has a higher autism test result than I do -- I&#039;m 36.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a GWOAT for a few years, putting my graphic art (and some carefully selected Robert Heinlein quotes) on t-shirts and other products, but I would **NEVER** call myself a fashion designer or DE. When I wear that hat, I&#8217;m a graphic artist, having my work printed on cloth objects. [Besides, my target customer tends to run screaming from the word "fashion".] G/WOATS who think they are making fashion or style are just plain silly.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m visiting this blog because I am a home sewer looking for ways to make the stuff I sew less difficult and better fitting. I&#8217;m reading back posts because I think Kathleen is cool, and she has a higher autism test result than I do &#8212; I&#8217;m 36.</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/woats/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw starting a t-shirt company in your 20s is now officially a cliche

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/8-stupid-frat-boy-business-ideas&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/8-stupid-frat-boy-business-ideas&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/8-stupid-frat-boy-business-ideas&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw starting a t-shirt company in your 20s is now officially a cliche</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/8-stupid-frat-boy-business-ideas" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/8-stupid-frat-boy-business-ideas" rel="nofollow">http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/8-stupid-frat-boy-business-ideas</a></p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/woats/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Printing businesses that play as fashion businesses - co-opting terms is silly.

Copyright is a legitimate concern in that market because while patterns and garments can&#039;t be protected, prints can.

This market is only tangentially related to the sewn products industry, so I think it&#039;s more fair to look at these issues from a graphic art/publishing standpoint.

In this case, for woats and goats, t-shirts should be seen as the medium, not the product.

The amusing/ironic thing is how guilty many woats and goats are of ripping off artists.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=2416213&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=2416213&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=2416213&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Nice to see Todd Goldman get exposed for the crap-seller he is.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Printing businesses that play as fashion businesses &#8211; co-opting terms is silly.</p>
<p>Copyright is a legitimate concern in that market because while patterns and garments can&#8217;t be protected, prints can.</p>
<p>This market is only tangentially related to the sewn products industry, so I think it&#8217;s more fair to look at these issues from a graphic art/publishing standpoint.</p>
<p>In this case, for woats and goats, t-shirts should be seen as the medium, not the product.</p>
<p>The amusing/ironic thing is how guilty many woats and goats are of ripping off artists.</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&#038;threadid=2416213" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&#038;threadid=2416213" rel="nofollow">http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&#038;threadid=2416213</a><br />
Nice to see Todd Goldman get exposed for the crap-seller he is.</p>
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		<title>By: Fashion-Incubator</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/woats/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Fashion-Incubator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Speaking of tees&lt;/strong&gt;

Speaking of tees Eventually I get around to reading Apparel -check it out, the 2005 Buyer&#039;s Guide is up and you can get a free subscription- when I came upon a letter to the editor from Eric M. Henry of...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Speaking of tees</strong></p>
<p>Speaking of tees Eventually I get around to reading Apparel -check it out, the 2005 Buyer&#8217;s Guide is up and you can get a free subscription- when I came upon a letter to the editor from Eric M. Henry of&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/woats/comment-page-1/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brava!  I&#039;m glad that someone in &lt;i&gt;the industry&lt;/i&gt; can continue to value traditional design ethics.  Making tee-shirts can be amusing, but even among us 20-somethings they&#039;re a cliche that hangs about for those occasions when you want to remember something witty that someone said.  Even the major fashion players, like, say, highly respected corporations based on the worldwide publication of a long-standing fashion magazine, seem to reward this kind of &quot;edgy&quot; &quot;graphic&quot; &quot;design.&quot;  Perhaps it&#039;s only me, but i don&#039;t genuinely believe that newly silkscreened thrift-store suits should be included in the running for a prestigious &quot;up-and-coming fashion designer&quot; award when other contestants have designed and built an entire menswear collection by themselves. . .from square one. . .

Anyway, i guess that&#039;s why they call it a business, right?  People like those silkscreened blazers an awful lot.
;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brava!  I&#8217;m glad that someone in <i>the industry</i> can continue to value traditional design ethics.  Making tee-shirts can be amusing, but even among us 20-somethings they&#8217;re a cliche that hangs about for those occasions when you want to remember something witty that someone said.  Even the major fashion players, like, say, highly respected corporations based on the worldwide publication of a long-standing fashion magazine, seem to reward this kind of &#8220;edgy&#8221; &#8220;graphic&#8221; &#8220;design.&#8221;  Perhaps it&#8217;s only me, but i don&#8217;t genuinely believe that newly silkscreened thrift-store suits should be included in the running for a prestigious &#8220;up-and-coming fashion designer&#8221; award when other contestants have designed and built an entire menswear collection by themselves. . .from square one. . .</p>
<p>Anyway, i guess that&#8217;s why they call it a business, right?  People like those silkscreened blazers an awful lot. <img src='http://www.fashion-incubator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/woats/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 21:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kathleen, this post is kinda random and off topic here but do you have a home or commercial embroidery machine? Jess and I have been working on embroidery designs for a few months now. We are testing a few designs with people who are using those home sewing machines and also hoping to have some tested on commercial embroidery machines. Here are 2 of the first designs. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.clipartcrafts.com/testdesigns/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.clipartcrafts.com/testdesigns/&lt;/a&gt;
If you happen to be set up to do embroidery and want to test those designs please do.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kathleen, this post is kinda random and off topic here but do you have a home or commercial embroidery machine? Jess and I have been working on embroidery designs for a few months now. We are testing a few designs with people who are using those home sewing machines and also hoping to have some tested on commercial embroidery machines. Here are 2 of the first designs. <a href="http://www.clipartcrafts.com/testdesigns/" rel="nofollow">http://www.clipartcrafts.com/testdesigns/</a><br />
If you happen to be set up to do embroidery and want to test those designs please do.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/woats/comment-page-1/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 04:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In one way it&#039;s sad that this is all our generation can come up with when it comes to fashion. And in another way it&#039;s encouraging because I know Jess and I can kick some serious butt when we are finally prepared to do so. lol I mean, seeing what&#039;s available is what made me want to do this.

I wanted to suggest that you sign up for amazon.com&#039;s honor system so that people who read your posts can send money. I think you said in an earlier post you didn&#039;t do it for money. But it only makes sense. You are spending time updating this and I feel like as a reader who values your post, I want to give something back.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one way it&#8217;s sad that this is all our generation can come up with when it comes to fashion. And in another way it&#8217;s encouraging because I know Jess and I can kick some serious butt when we are finally prepared to do so. lol I mean, seeing what&#8217;s available is what made me want to do this.</p>
<p>I wanted to suggest that you sign up for amazon.com&#8217;s honor system so that people who read your posts can send money. I think you said in an earlier post you didn&#8217;t do it for money. But it only makes sense. You are spending time updating this and I feel like as a reader who values your post, I want to give something back.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://www.fashion-incubator.com/archive/woats/comment-page-1/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 04:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m seeing many updates for your book, hee. They seem really young and ambitious but screaming for information. The whole trademark issue is one that I&#039;m interested in. I&#039;ve heard nightmare stories of people being asked to change their names after using it for a long time and building up a business and a .com. I heard of one .com who was told by a huge company (I&#039;m not giving names) to change their name or else hand over a percentage of their sells and these people weren&#039;t even selling the same kind of products! It sounds crazy right? Well, as crazy as it sounds they had to battle it out in court cause they weren&#039;t willing to give up the name. In the end they won but not after a long and expensive battle. We&#039;re actually wondering about the name of our company Adjunct Clothing. We noticed a lot of legal type firms have the name already. Then we thought why not just come up with some nonsensical name like hagendaaz, that nobody could possibly have but then you could wind up sounding like another company. It&#039;s really hard. I seriously could care less what the name is. The name of my font site happened by complete accident and so far haven&#039;t had any objections by other companies (knock on wood). When I name a typeface I always do a google search to see who might be using the name and check other foundry sites. It&#039;s only happened once that I&#039;ve had to change the name of a font and it wasn&#039;t a problem just changing a font name.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m seeing many updates for your book, hee. They seem really young and ambitious but screaming for information. The whole trademark issue is one that I&#8217;m interested in. I&#8217;ve heard nightmare stories of people being asked to change their names after using it for a long time and building up a business and a .com. I heard of one .com who was told by a huge company (I&#8217;m not giving names) to change their name or else hand over a percentage of their sells and these people weren&#8217;t even selling the same kind of products! It sounds crazy right? Well, as crazy as it sounds they had to battle it out in court cause they weren&#8217;t willing to give up the name. In the end they won but not after a long and expensive battle. We&#8217;re actually wondering about the name of our company Adjunct Clothing. We noticed a lot of legal type firms have the name already. Then we thought why not just come up with some nonsensical name like hagendaaz, that nobody could possibly have but then you could wind up sounding like another company. It&#8217;s really hard. I seriously could care less what the name is. The name of my font site happened by complete accident and so far haven&#8217;t had any objections by other companies (knock on wood). When I name a typeface I always do a google search to see who might be using the name and check other foundry sites. It&#8217;s only happened once that I&#8217;ve had to change the name of a font and it wasn&#8217;t a problem just changing a font name.</p>
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